this post was submitted on 27 Oct 2025
104 points (98.1% liked)

Europe

7655 readers
587 users here now

News and information from Europe ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in other communities.
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
  10. Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.

(This list may get expanded as necessary.)

Posts that link to the following sources will be removed

Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media. Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com

(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)

Ban lengths, etc.

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the primary mod account @EuroMod@feddit.org

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

If adopted, the reform would allow 13- and 14-year-olds to face prison sentences for serious crimes

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] stray@pawb.social 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't know that I think anyone should be held accountable for their actions, but I'm just trying to engage with your view. If the idea is that people who understand right from wrong should be held accountable then surely all people should be held to the same standard. Barring developmental disorders, 4-year-olds already understand right from wrong, so why should they be treated differently?

[โ€“] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I cannot wrap my head around how people don't think anyone should be accountable for their own actions?? I was raised in the 1970s and 1980s and accountability was huge. Even as kids we knew when we fucked up and we straightened out damn quick.

I'm pretty sure this lack of accountability mindset has come about in more recent decades, thanks to such heinous precedents set by the likes of Casey Anthony & OJ Simpson. People can literally get away with murder nowadays even when clearly guilty.

There's no such thing as accountability anymore. Lies & deception & narcissism & psychopathy are the magic recipe for skating through the world blameless of all your wrongdoings.

[โ€“] stray@pawb.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I suspected that would need explaining, but I didn't want to go off on a tangent about my beliefs.

I don't think free will exists. Setting aside what I'd like to believe about souls, the only thing I have evidence for is that we're nothing but the chemical reactions happening within our bodies. Everything about who and what we are is determined by environmental factors that no one has any control over. You can't choose how kind or intelligent you are any more than you can choose to fly.

People who do bad things need to be stopped in only order to prevent further harm. If we can change them or negotiate with them so that they won't harm people anymore, they should be free to live in society, especially if they're able to make reparations to their victims. If they can't be healed or reasoned with then they'll have to stay in prison indefinitely, but as a necessity, not as a punishment.

Imagine a rabid dog kills a child. The dog can't choose whether it's a good boy or a monster; it just is what it is. You can't bring the child back to life or improve the dog's behavior by beating it, so what's the point?

Oh so is THAT why everyone behaves so sociopathically these days? Because your minds are not living in the real world? You believe that your bodies are detached from your free will therefore all the hideous harmful illegal things you do are not your fault? Well that's what prison is for. To keep people like you locked away from the rest of us who know how to obey the law. I loathe coexisting with you psychotic people.

[โ€“] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Way to not answer the legitimate question. How about you take some accountability for your own faulty logic and answer the question? Should we imprison four year olds, since they know the difference between right and wrong? Maybe the 'huge' accountability they thought in the seventies and eighties wasn't so huge after all.

[โ€“] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You know as well as anyone else that 4-year-olds are still learning about everything, including still learning the difference between right & wrong. Now you please kindly go get a life and stop interacting with me, you dim-witted buffoon.

[โ€“] Zexks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"the only exceptions are psychopaths and sociopaths"

Thats all you.

[โ€“] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

It's that huge (avoiding) accountability he learnt in the seventies and eighties, before all these damn kids got corrupted by Casey Anthony and OJ.