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Because what's the alternative? Pay $1k+ for a disposable MacBook or suffer through making Linux work.
Don't forget about the disposable laptops with Windows 10 that are no longer supported because Windows 11 doesn't like their TPM or CPU!
Forget about TPM or CPU, Apple just stops supporting devices for no reason other than they're old. If they even manage to survive that long.
Brother LOL I don't understand why you're telling me this when you're the one talking about TPM and CPU. Of course they don't. I'm just pointing out why many many people choose to use Windows instead of Mac.
We weren't talking about phones. But since we are now, software support is meaningless when the hardware is completely irreparable.
So Microsoft and Google do the same stuff as Apple, but for some reason Apple's the only one guilty of planned obsolescence?
BTW I mentioned phones because you said "devices"
They don't. Not even close.
Who told you that?
Microsoft's own Surface devices are among the least repairable on the planet. And Google has a browser and search monopoly, and almost all of their hardware is disposable once they get bored with it.
I don't think you know much about Apple's reputation for repairability. Because they're definitely not.
Okay so you're just taking this opportunity to air whatever grievances come across your mind?
I said that Microsoft and Google are guilty of the same stuff as Apple. You said they don't. So I provided examples.
Apple is the only one that gets the blame on the Internet, especially here in the Fediverse, but they're all guilty.
Once again, you are misinterpreting my statements. They're all guilty, Apple is just by far and away the absolute worst. No one else invents new screws for the explicit purpose of keeping consumers out. No one else has contracts with their suppliers that forbid them from selling to anyone else. No one else serializes components so that even if you install the exact same components from a donor board, they still won't work.
They're ALL doing ALL of it. Microsoft's Surface laptops and tablets are even less repairable than iPads and MacBooks, and Google's devices become paperweights as soon as they get bored (and they WILL get bored... see the size of the Google Graveyard).
Arguing over which one is the worst offender ignores the bigger picture and will lead to things continuing to get worse.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Prove it.
You keep ignoring every single example I've given you by saying it doesn't matter because Apple.
Naming random products and services is not the same thing as giving an example. Meanwhile I've given several examples of exactly how Apple is worse, which you've not addressed at all.
Sounds like someone who wants to hang onto their horse because it just works, but the mess that horses create on the road way affect everyone.
More like slaughtering a perfectly healthy horse when all it needs is new horseshoes.
My 7 year old penguin can lap most peoples horses.
Why would i want to use a new horse that comes crippled, always watches me, supports genocide, keeps putting the saddle back on that I keep telling it I don't want to use, prevents me from riding it the way i want, and tells me my horse and assless chaps are no good every few years?
Yep, that's the brainwashing!
What do you mean "Making Linux work?"
I know people like to joke this, but there's plenty of "I use distro X because it works well with Nvidia gpus", "I had to use XYZ to make the drivers for my steering wheel work" and "I use software XYZ which doesn't quite work (fast enough) through Wine/Proton".
Windows entire shtick is that due to its market dominance, companies will make sure their product works with Windows, hence it's a very plug-and-play OS.
Sure, Windows does shit users don't always want or like. But it doesn't generally outright break things these days. And if it does, the instructions online on how to fix it are generally a bit easier to follow than those for Linux.
Linux being a bit harder to set up isn't really Linux' fault. And these days the chance that your distro outright works without tweaks is fairly high. But it's not at the same level as Windows is yet.
Windows doesn't generally break things? Weird, I wonder why I've been having to tour my clients' homes and having to either circumvent their arbitrary 11 requirements or install a pirated version of 10 LTSC. Must be a fluke. Besides, Microsoft is following every tech company and trying to replace actual programmers with AI, so I'm sure they'll never fuck anything up again.
And the instructions online for how to fix things are NEVER easier. What on earth? Troubleshooting Windows for the last 15 years has meant browsing a dozen forum posts with your exact issue and getting nothing but a bunch of script-following helpdesk people taking 3 paragraphs to ultimately tell you to restart your computer. And now, on top of all that garbage, you have to sort past a bunch of generated garbage articles. Better hope someone posted your problem on Reddit and didn't get their post deleted for whatever reason cuz there's no way to find anything useful otherwise
It’s not broken though, if it doesn’t work by design, which is the case for Win 11‘s system requirements.
Doesn’t mean it’s good design but it’s not technically broken.
Intentionality has nothing to do with whether something is broken or not. If I take a brick to a window, is that just bad design?
Their computers stopped getting security updates for no good reason. They broke it. I have to go in and fix it.
@ChairmanMeow @Garbagio this is a fair comment. But except for gaming and some niche software (Photoshop, Cubase), I don't think windows is really better than Linux. Nowadays you can easily use windows software via winboat or Gnome Boxes, and this works well for 50% of the windows-only software. 90% of the activities are in the browser. Many software have valid and usable alternatives. In the end, anyone could use Linux with the same easiness if just it was pre installed, at least in dual boot.
Yeah but that's precisely the thing isn't it: you need to know Winboat, Gnome Boxes, VMs etc... exist, you need to know how to configure it and how to use it.
I've installed Bazzite a while ago for my sister after my old gaming PC didn't support W11 which I donated to her. Took 2 reinstalls because apparently it's very easy to mess with hard drive mounting in a way that bricks the OS into an unrecoverable boot loop. Then, I needed to get her games working through Lutris, which did eventually work but updating those games then became an issue. I know how to do it, but she still has difficulty getting the steps right. Had I left it to do it herself, she would've been far too intimidated to even get started properly (and she's above-average when it comes to computers). And of course 90% of computer work happens in the browser, but people are unlikely to switch if that remaining 10% doesn't also just work out of the box.
Arguably this all isn't Linux' fault, but that doesn't magic the issues away. Windows is just a lot more familiar and harder to brick beyond repair. Of course it's less powerful and more bloated, but managing to get a Linux install to that point is often still quite hard for many people. And the average person has very little patience to make something work.
Take a look where you are
I'm at home. Where are you?
I mean yeah the comment was pretty fair but what did you except saying "Linux doesn't work" in !linux@programming.dev
I didn't say that.