Apple and Google will gladly erase the works of developers to chase profits.
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Android is Linux. Android is far more mature (and secure) than any other Linux mobile project. Just use GrapheneOS if you don't like base AOSP. Stop advocating to start from scratch and start helping the projects that are reclaiming AOSP from Google.
This is similar to telling people to stop advocating people using Linux on their computers and just use WSL in windows if you want Linux. You don't have the same level of control and privacy, freedom, features etc. Also you're beholden to the host OS for updates and security, etc. I'd MUCH rather Linux on bare metal, in both cases my computer and my phone. And yah you can make the point that a Linux phone is definitely less secure than android at this point but in the future when its more mature, I'm sure people will focus on tweaking security to fill the security holes.
I compared a mature Linux distribution to buggy new distributions and somehow that equates to WSL? I don't see the comparison whatsoever.
From a Mobile OS perspective Android has far more features and flexibility than traditional Linux distributions. Its not even comparable.
Use GNOME or Plasma Mobile if you wish, but people need to stop acting like Android is not Linux. Linux is the kernel, period. Not other GNU software packaged along with it.
Get off your high horse with the naming etiquette, almost everyone means gnu/Linux when talking about Linux, they want the gnu tool chain, and the desktop environments and the packages not just the Linux kernel running on their phone. You're not special or smarter by pointing out android is technically Linux, you're just being obtuse.
"Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel." -Wikipedia
Linux is literally referring to the Linux Kernel. When people refer to GNU & Linux they say that with their words. I'm not being smart by taking words at their intended value.
The developers of GrapheneOS explain it best: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115164054819007755
Was just having a conversation. No need to be so rude. Have a better day.
Erm akchually 🤓
postmarketOS is a mobile Linux distro that is neither AOSP/Linux nor GNU/Linux. It is based on Alpine Linux, a lightweight distro that uses something other than GNU (busybox and musl libc)
I've been using GrapheneOS myself for a while now, and I love it! However, isn't the concern here that these AOSP changes might negatively affect all the Android forks as well?
Yeah, GOS and all other forks run the risk of getting shafted by Google if they implement some evil ass "feature" upstream that breaks something GOS needs.
They are planning to move away from the Linux kernel in the far future, so hopefully that also means their going to move away from Google too.
also I use GOS too c:
GrapheneOS is moving away from the Linux kernel? Source?
Android is
GrapheneOS chooses what they implement as its a fork and its own project.
That's not happening, you're obviously deleting them yourself.
/s
I don't understand.
GrapheneOS is at Google's mercy. They were alarmed when google changed the way they released the source code for the pixel 10 recently, and while they ultimately were able to deal with the change, it's causing them a lot if extra work.
If google ever wanted to, they could completely screw over Graphene, since Graphene is ultimately reliant on Google playing ball.
A pure Linux phone would not be reliant on a big corporation to exist.