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There were already skirmishes between US ships and German u-boats for well over a year before US was bombed at Pearl Harbor. So, even if Pearl Harbor didn't happen, there is another Lusitania moment waiting to happen for US to justify declaring war on Germany.
(As a side note, the bit of history on US and German naval skirmishes before Pearl Harbor seems to be getting sidelined and unknown by those who weren't alive at the time)
valid, the wolfpacks had the entire east coast mapped out and were chomping to attack more US shipping. BUT. imho this simply illustrates how stupid hitler was. Picking a fight with the ally of your enemy to stop just supplying and start shooting stops working rapidly as liberty ship production outpaces the german's ability to sortie subs (and of course we were reading their comms eventually, making it a turkey shoot). it's like the japanese and germans thought they had some magic way they'd keep the rust belt out of the war and oops, that kinda destroyed them. our ability to endlessly manufacture new and better shit as the war went on, and their inability to hurt production at all while theirs was being destroyed... history is full of "what were they thinking?" moments in hindsight.
Oh and the US probably shouldn't have strangled Japanese with oil embargos which probably precipitated actual hostilities.