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[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The UN does not have "troops". UN peacekeepers are members of the armed forces of member states and are deployed at the behest of the Security Council. Why then would you blame the UN as an organisation for not sending in military personnel, when the fault lies in the members and, especially those who would veto any such action?

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ, you're gonna pedantically argue semantics in a conversation about stopping active genocide?

The United NATIONS, as the name implies, is an intergovernmental organization of NATIONS. We don't expect António Guterres to personally arrest Netanyahu as the other pedantic comment mocked, we expect the governments that make up the UN to uphold their obligations, or failing that, for their people to hold their governments responsible.

Apathy rules, unfortunately, and when the Nazis come for you, there won't be anyone left to hear you say "actually, the UN does not have "troops" to save me".

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm gonna be as pedantic as I ever am, yeah, because boring moaning about the UN is misguided and seeps into society.

When people make fun of the UN for "writing a strongly worded letter" that is a missed opportunity to criticise national governments, especially that of the USA, who are the ones with actual actions they can take, Israel itself notwithstanding.

Apathy rules, unfortunately, and when the Nazis come for you, there won’t be anyone left to hear you say “actually, the UN does not have “troops” to save me”.

Do you think whingeing about the UN would have saved me, or else what are you even trying to say here?

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

We aren't whining about the UN, we're talking about the nations that make it up. You're choosing to redirect the discussion to the UN specifically just to derail the conversation.

Thank you for the lesson no one was confused about, thank you for clarifying that the UN itself has no troops, despite me not making that claim in the first place. I repeat my expectation that the Nations needs to mobilize their troops to meet their obligations under the genocide convention to which they are party, which cannot reasonably be misinterpreted as the UN itself. I even named a nation explicitly that is finally doing something effective (Spain), but do go on.

I think what I'm saying is very clear, you're shrugging your shoulders and saying "what can we do, the UN has no power" instead of recognizing the failure of UN member nations to actually do something. You're apathetic to genocide and hide it behind pedantry and self-righteousness.

First they came for the communists, and all that. Palestine won't be the end, and when you find your own people the target of the Nazis, you'll have no one left asking their nations to intervene so you can twist their words into an irrelevant strawman to pour gasoline on and lite.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

thank you for clarifying that the UN itself has no troops, despite me not making that claim in the first place

When I said "what do you expect them to do" I was referring to the UN, the topic of discussion. You then said you expected "them to mobilize their troops".

you’re shrugging your shoulders and saying “what can we do, the UN has no power” instead of recognizing the failure of UN member nations to actually do something

That is not something it makes sense to say in light of what I actually said:

When people make fun of the UN for “writing a strongly worded letter” that is a missed opportunity to criticise national governments, especially that of the USA

First they came for the communists, and all that. Palestine won’t be the end, and when you find your own people the target of the Nazis, you’ll have no one left asking their nations to intervene so you can twist their words into an irrelevant strawman to pour gasoline on and lite.

If you think that we need effective criticism of governments who enable Israeli crimes against humanity to avoid that future, then you should be agreeing with me.