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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, fuck Bernie for this.

A free and democratic society, which is what America is supposed to be about, depends upon the basic premise that people can speak out, organize, and take part in public life without fear, without worrying that they might be killed, injured, or humiliated for expressing their political views,

And who was it that was undermining that? Charlie Kirk.

Political violence, in fact, is political cowardice. It means that you cannot convince people of the correctness of your ideas, and you have to impose them through force.

And what if you can't convince people of the correctness of your ideas because they don't care about correctness, they only care about hating you? What then, Bernie? What if they keep pressing forward in complete denial of all logic and facts? I suppose that punching a Klan member is cowardice? I suppose when people rise up against oppressors it is because they are cowards? He's right that it MAY be cowardice that leads to violence. It may also be absolute obstinate stubbornness of the other side. What do we call that?

this chilling rise in violence has targeted public officials across the political spectrum

Ah, I guess that's why you, as an official on the political spectrum, are so convinced that it is evil. What a charming coincidence. What about the chilling rise in violence targeting thousands of normal people, perpetuated by Charlie Kirk? If I order my lackeys to execute someone, do we say I'm not a murderer? Do we say I was merely exercising my free speech? What if I constantly depict John Doe down the street as the root of all evil? When someone else kills John Doe, am I truly blameless? Stoking hate to get other people to kill on your behalf, now that's political cowardice, Bernie.

[–] obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The more Bernie talks the less I respect him. I agree with your points.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

As much as Bernie is a good man he still came up in an age of American politics that were relatively peaceful, at least compared to the 1940s and earlier. This means he has a lot of out of date halcyon views on these types of things.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Bro

He marched with MLK. He called the Vietnam War a genocide in 1972, lol

[–] Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

You're right, but the people defending Kirk are the same kind of people who killed MLK. Not sure how much Bernie has realized it.

A bust of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., once prominently displayed in the Oval Office, has been removed under Donald Trump’s presidency amid a broader rollback of civil rights iconography, military tributes, and diversity initiatives across federal agencies.

At the same time, Trump continues to court far-right figures like Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, a vocal critic of Dr. King’s legacy. Kirk, who has called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 a “mistake” and questioned the existence of Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

The push to erase these figures coincides with a wider campaign by the Trump administration to dismantle what it deems “woke” programs.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2025/06/17/clashed-with-the-decor-of-grievance-trump-quietly-removes-mlk-bust-from-oval-office-amid-broader-scrubbing-of-civil-rights-symbols/

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

That's all true, but what I'm referring to is basically pre-ww2 political violence like the county and union wars or how local level politics was basically just gang warfare. Most of that settled down before Bernie's time and was largely forgotten on a grander cultural level, frankly speaking in many ways increased political violence would be a return to historical trends. Personally I'm rather a fan of tar and feathering, it'd be funny to do it to Boebert.