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Can we stop trying to beatify this psychopath? It's possible to be against violence and still condemn Kirk and his violent legacy.

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[–] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 164 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I'm against political violence but as Kirk would say about a raped woman that was wearing a short skirt "what did he expect?"

Dude literally died for what he believed in. We should be happy for him.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 78 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Dude literally died for what he believed in. We should be happy for him.

More than that, it's "worth it to have the cost" of everyone owning guns, so that we can have some fascist pricks die every so often.

[–] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't agree with the political violence (unless you're fighting back against it) but everyone in America that isn't a maga cult member should look at investing in more guns and gun handling training.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I'm paraphrasing his quote on gun violence.

In a way, he's right -- this death? Worth it. Totally. I just wish it didn't come at the cost of many schoolchildren and other innocents before (and after) him.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows?

Turns out those police officers and security couldn't keep Charlie Kirk alive.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

On the other hand, in a sick and twisted way, this all does lend credence to the whole "good guy with a gun" idea. you can't tell me that microphone in his hand isn't a weapon, and you sure as shit can't tell me Charlie Kirk was a good guy.

In other words, this was justifiable self-defense, that sniper protected those college kids from a cognitohazard.

I just watched the Behind the Bastards episode on the zyzzians and my brain immediately that Kirk was gonna start spouting off about Rokus Basilisk.

Ahh ok. I gotcha

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Work for the world you want to live in, prepare for the world you already live in.

[–] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I didn't expect this shit to happen in my life time (a phrase uttered by many, no doubt) but here we are.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Yeah, we ain't even rock bottom yet...

Like, it's past recommending "guns".

Everybody should legit be getting ARs/AKs and plated vests these days.

It doesn't take a lot of range time to get competent. Both platforms are very simple.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

He meant school children, not himself.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The time for being "against political violence" as a general concept is long passed.

One side has violence against anyone but themselves as their only policy. Fascism doesn't surrender to reasoned argument, law or elections.

[–] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's certainly on the very limit of when it should be used but for whatever it means, Kirk was just a hateful person. As far as I'm aware he didn't actually murder anyone but in the current climate, what did he expect?

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He was certainly influential enough on the wrong side of the wrong topics that putting some lost lives on him wouldn't be remiss.

[–] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's. I love lost from me. It'd just be nice if it hadn't gotten like this in the first place but some people love to hate

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 3 days ago

He didn't directly murder people, but the ideas and beliefs he spread did. I mean, at the very least his Covid conspiracy theories were killing people.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Every thread I see a new shit take from this dude. It’s like a nesting doll of poo.

Man really left a garbage legacy.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Charlie Kirk was political the same way the Ku Klux Klan is political.

He was a walking advertisement for allowing hate to flow through people. Like I said: what did he expect?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Believed gun deaths were a good thing, didn't believe in empathy. My joy that he's gone is right in line with his beliefs!

A win win for everyone