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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is literally how dog whistles work, my friend. They don't say what they're saying, out loud. They hide it behind a veneer of rationality, that they think prevents certain people from hearing what they're saying, while throwing a giant wink at the people that "get it".

When a white supremacist talks about "Western culture being superior to other cultures"...they are talking about "white culture".

[+] saltesc@lemmy.world -28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah, but people that aren't white supremecist also say that. White supremecist from non-westrrn cultures say the same of their culture instead. White supremecist enjoy and emerse themselves into other cultures without it impacting their position of being genetically superior.

What you're trying to explain is called cultural chauvinism and it's as related/unrelated to many other things as it is/isn't to racial ideologies.

No dog whistles here, just already very established and understood stuff.

Plus, it's White Supremecy here. There's so much already there to work with. There's no need to apply assumptions onto it and sell it as a new package.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

people that aren't white supremecist also say that

Nope. Simply not true.

White supremecist from non-westrrn cultures say the same of their culture instead

Which would indicate that it IS about white supremacy rather than culture. You're negating your own stupid point.

cultural chauvinism

You're REALLY reaching, buddy..

it's as related/unrelated to many other things as it is/isn't to racial ideologies.

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~~No~~ dog whistles here, ~~just~~ already very established and understood stuff

Fixed it for you.

[+] saltesc@lemmy.world -8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cultural chauvinism is the belief that one's own culture is superior to others, often leading to prejudice against different cultural groups. This concept is commonly discussed in the context of international relations and communication, highlighting how such attitudes can affect interactions between nations and ethnicities.

A subset of...

Chauvinism is the unreasonable belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people, who are seen as strong and virtuous, while others are considered weak, unworthy, or inferior The Encyclopaedia Britannica describes it as a form of "excessive and unreasonable" patriotism and nationalism, a fervent faith in national excellence and glory.

Which is not the same as...

White supremacy is the belief that white people are superior to those of other races.The belief favors the maintenance and defense of any power and privilege held by white people. White supremacy has roots in the now-discredited doctrine of scientific racism and was a key justification for European colonialism.

Here you go... https://www.routledge.com/Cultural-Chauvinism-Intercultural-Communication-and-the-Politics-of-Superiority/Ibelema/p/book/9780367710033

You would also do well to pay attention to the events of Daryl Davis.

On top of books and many studies on this, there's also documentaries and reports if your attention span so needs this.

Or, you know, it's all bullshit and you know best!

A sponge is wet. The ocean is wet. Therefore sponges are oceans. And saltesc is dumb.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know that cultural chauvinism exists and what it is.

That doesn't change the fact that Kirk used the language of cultural chauvinism as code for racial chauvinism and that that's exactly what his followers understood it as. AKA a classic dog whistle.

The ocean is wet

And saltesc is dumb.

Truest statements from you yet.

[+] saltesc@lemmy.world -6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So a person that never spoke as or acted as a white supremesist, said they weren't a white supremecist, and very regularly condemned white supremecy and implored for its removal from society, was indeed actually a white supremecist in your mind because...what, you have a hunch? You just prefer it that way for your narrative? It's just totally fine to twist things into other things when it suits what you want?

There are so many things to be said about this piece of shit but you're just not winning hard enough you gotta do exactly what they do. Except I'm sure you think it's okay when you try push misinformation onto others, huh? Because it's either that or you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, actually believe it, and choose to disregard the put forward to you as hopefully not for realsies, even though a quick search will show you that they are and very abundantly so.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So a person that never spoke as or acted as a white supremesist

Unless you count the constant dog whistles that you're suspiciously adamant about giving him the benefit of unreasonable doubt on.

said they weren't a white supremecist

So did the KKK until they realized that it was safe to take the hood off.

very regularly condemned white supremecy and implored for its removal from society

Yeah, I very much doubt it. I'm gonna need at least one example.

was indeed actually a white supremecist

Yes, he was.

because...what, you have a hunch?

Nope, because of his constant white supremacy apologia poorly disguised as "defending Western culture".

You just prefer it that way for your narrative? It's just totally fine to twist things into other things when it suits what you want?

Did you get distracted and start talking to yourself or are you REALLY unaware that you're projecting more than a whole cinema

There are so many things to be said about this piece of shit

True.

you're just not winning hard enough you gotta do exactly what they do

Nonsense. Calling a racist a racist is exactly what the fascists DON'T do.

I'm sure you think it's okay when you try push misinformation onto others, huh?

Nope. That's why I don't do that.

Because it's either that or you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, actually believe it, and choose to disregard the put forward to you as hopefully not for realsies, even though a quick search will show you that they are and abundantly so.

This you?

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

https://oxford-review.com/the-oxford-review-dei-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-dictionary/cultural-racism-definition-and-explanation/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Cultural+racism+refers+to+the%2Cvery+fabric+of+societal+culture.