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[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It’s as easy as pie too; they show up right there on the boot menu:

I really don't understand why people have this little awareness of usability. Show the freaking date normally! At least add hyphens.

We tried Dolphin and Konsole as Flatpaks for a while, but the user experience was just terrible.

Yeah I'm fairly sympathetic to Flatpak. It's way closer to how software should be installed by users. But I have yet to actually use it successfully. Is it really ready?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I really don’t understand why people have this little awareness of usability.

It's an alpha release.

Is it really ready?

It's an alpha release.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s an alpha release.

You really think they're going to revisit this? That's not really how software development works.

It’s an alpha release.

I was talking about Flatpak.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You really think they’re going to revisit this?

I reserve my judgement until a final release is made.

That’s not really how software development works.

How does it work, then? Have you filed a bug report?

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How does it work, then?

I'm assuming that's a genuine question... Normally when people develop a feature they do it once and then it's "done" and any changes to that feature have to go through the whole feature request -> it's low priority -> wait 10 years cycle before they actually happen.

Essentially, you have to do it right first time or it might never be fixed.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Normally when people develop a feature they do it once and then it’s “done”

The feature (boot manager) was not developed by KDE. They rely in systemd components which are all in active development.

So did you file a bug report or are you just being negative in a forum the developers will probably never read?

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right but presumably they chose the names?

So did you file a bug report

It's not a requirement to file a bug report before you comment on anything. Don't be silly.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right but presumably they chose the names?

I don't know.

It’s not a requirement to file a bug report before you comment on anything. Don’t be silly.

It's not a requirement but if anything is silly it's acting as if an alpha version is the final release and complaining in a random forum would change anything.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

complaining in a random forum would change anything.

What gave you the impression that I thought it would?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What gave you the impression that I thought it would?

What gave the completely irrational impression that filing a bug report before commenting was a requirement?

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev -3 points 2 months ago

Your tedious query if I had filed a bug report.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

YYYYMMDDHHmm is probably one of the most normal date-time formats, only slightly behind current ISO 8601. But adding hyphens for the extended format would definitely make it more readable.

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

YYYYMMDDHHmm is probably one of the most normal date-time formats

No, it absolutely isn't outside the tech sphere

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Not for normal people.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's really not unless you're a techie who's used to naming files in away that promotes better sorting.

The date format this uses should match with the one you have set in your system, which for most people will be DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY in the US. Because that's what the user is used to seeing.

If you think most people are used to seeing YYMMDDhhmmss then you are in a very tiny and very incorrect bubble lol

[–] Matty_r@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Booting to a black screen with white text, while functional, really detracts from the more professional experiences that can be had elsewhere. I know the theming support is severely lacking in systemd-boot though (which I believe this is)