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[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All religions I've read about so far, that I can recall, are. Islam is, christianity is. If Abraham was a cornerstone to your stories, there's a good chance there's some oppression there.

Oppressing your slaves by allowing them to exist at all and the determinations of who CAN be kept. Oppressing your daughters with religious traditions about marriage and subservience to your parents/husband. I can go on, not that this is strictly about Islam, this applies just about everywhere when applied from a fundamentalist viewpoint, and even those that don't still harken to societal norms built on those fundamentalist values (tons of my Muslim friends in college had big fights about the white women they were bringing home....from the rural US where white women are the most common women for them to meet). Crazy business to not see that

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But...

Do you understand that the ones who are following a book from over a thousand years ago literally, are a tiny tiny percentage of the total number of people who identify as that religion...

Right?

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe, it's not what I see every day. I meet fundamentalists all the time, even if they don't consider themselves one. Do US Christians practice fundamentalist christianity to the tee? No, they wear polyester and don't properly take the sabbath and go off the rails about the 10 commandments all the time. But they THINK they adhere to the faith they were raised in. Even my progressive Muslim friends in college still held some ass-backwards beliefs they didn't shed because, to them, that's still modern interpretation or socially acceptable interpretation of their religious text.

You write like I'm painting all Muslims as regressive. Please, consider instead that I'm saying all religions, at their root, are regressive and it is the shedding of those beliefs that lead to a more modern form of that religion, but it does not entirely root out the thoughts/beliefs that founded the faith.

Ask a progressive Muslim what they think about child marriage as it relates to the prophet, or a Baptist Christian what they think about homosexuality, or a hassidic Jew what they think about the modesty of today's clothing. You'll get regressive answers from just about every single one, or, that's been my experience.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Maybe, it’s not what I see every day

How many Muslim extremists do you "see everyday"?

Bonus question:

Do you realize you likely see way more Muslims, they just aren't wearing religious clothing?

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh that's fun, you ignored all the rest.

I didn't say they were extremists, I said they held some fundamental beliefs. The ones I see that are modern american Muslims, maybe once a week, it's gone down since college for sure.

Bonus answer: no way, people don't all wear religious clothing? Where did you get the impression I said I knew someone was Muslim by eyesight? I see a few Sikhs, sure, but most Muslim men, where I am, don't where traditional clothing, maybe some handmade shirts from their trips back home but they're still collared shirts and buttons ups in a western style. I have met maybe two women who are Muslim that don't wear some kind of religious attire, be that a headwrap or a niqab. They also drank beer and were fond of the occasional midnight bacon burger, so they were far from being very devout.

Got more?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago

I said they held some fundamental beliefs

And the most polite way to describe that would be you're making assumptions...

Considering the context though, most would describe it as religious bigotry