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:::spoiler Here's screenshots of the page you linked to prove you're just blatantly lying, again.
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Use the drop-down bar ya bafoon.
This is what I mean by your expectations that someone else provide you a one on one personal education. I gave you links to the most informative websites on unionization and you can't be bothered to look past the first page you're provided.
Dumb.
https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/2017-07/Res20.pdf
You claimed it was on the page you linked. You lied. Or more likely, you didn't know because you didn't read it either, because you just grabbed a random link so that you could claim to have "provided sources" for the purpose of trolling.
Please provide any source, from them, or anywhere else, supporting your absurd claim that college education discourages union membership.
It's on the aflcio website as well as the NLRB, I'm sorry if I provided you more information than you wanted at the expense of having to actually read something. Sorry, next time I'll see if there's a "for dummies" version or perhaps a sing along.
I didn't say anything discouraged anything, I said higher education jobs tend to not be union jobs. You know, read or something every once in awhile.
That's not the claim that's in dispute. The claim was that higher education people are more likely to be in unions.
No, people with higher education tend to end up in career paths that aren't commonly unionized, regulated yes. Unionized no.
You should read what you say or say less crazy shit.
Compared to people without higher educations, yes, they are more likely to end up in a union. Most career paths, whether they require a degree or not, are not unionized.
Why don't you call Nina Turner, she'll tell you I'm right and you're full of shit. Might be more polite about it.
What's not what you asked.
Aren't people with college educations more likely to end up in a union? One of the reasons some places don't want to hire "overqualified" people is because they're afraid of unionization.
The answer is no. You're now adding context and nuance that did not appear in your original question.
I have no reason to be tolerant of the intolerant or willfully ignorant like yourself, cry somewhere else or at least be quieter about it.
Then provide literally any single source that actually says that.
I'm not your teacher, you have three immense resources, use them. Show us that you can inform yourself instead of taking positions based on ignorance only to obstinately defend them with more ignorance.
I'll take your inability to provide the information (which you claim is trivially easy to find) as further confirmation of my position.
It's hilarious for you to accuse me of "obstinate" or "ignorance." You've provided zero evidence of anything you've claimed and randomly choose to start fighting and insulting me for literally no reason except that I have an .ml in my username.
I've provided it several times at this point which you've actually admitted multiple times at this point, stop with the crybaby affectation.
No you haven't. What you've done is provide random links that don't provide the relevant information and lied claiming that they do, repeatedly.
No, I definitely haven't. I've been abundantly clear, extremely consistently, that you're lying and that the links don't contain the relevant evidence.
At no point have I exhibited a "crybaby affectation." What I've done is correctly called you out for being a liar and a troll, while you lob a bunch of random, baseless accusations out of completely unnecessary hostility provoked entirely by the fact that you have a grudge against my instance.
They are not random.
Aflcio -largest union in the Americas iirc
Nlrb - national labor relations board who overseer whom? Unions!
Board of labor and statistics by no surprise is a massive database of statistics in relation to labor.
Please of these are irrelevant what could at all possibly be a more relevant source since you're apparently know of some.
You're doing it right now, you simply call anyone who disagrees with you a troll and every one of your sources is quite literally "nuh uh" which is behavior I've only seen in idiots and children who simply don't know better.
There's no grudge against your instance but you're from a socialist/communist instance and you're making us look like fucking morons as is usual with your instance.
They are random because they don't contain any of the relevant information you've claimed they do. They are tangentially related to what we're discussing.
Here's the IWW website: https://www.iww.org/
See how linking that had fuck all to do with anything we were discussing and was just randomly dropped - even though it's the website of a large union?
I don't know why I keep responding in good faith when you've demonstrated you're a shameless liar and troll countless times. Also, I believe you're the only person I've called a troll here, and that's with extremely good reason.
They contain literally all of it you just can't be bothered to do the math. Instead you want the answer to be spoonfed to you like you're a wittle baby.
Nice try but you didn't even bother reading that did you? https://www.iww.org/pamphlets/
You could try responding in good faith once and go from there, how about that instead of lamenting something you haven't tried.
Literally none of them have even a single relevant number for me to use. The only number you've provided is the one you pulled straight out of your ass, the 8% one. I can't do math without numbers, no, and unlike you I don't just make numbers up.
Does not contain the relevant information. This is the fifth source you've blatantly lied about, if we're keeping score.
I've replied in good faith many times, both to you and to others. You are an obvious, bad faith troll.
The fuck are you talking about. You're saying the bureau of labor and statistics doesn't have a single relevant number.... Let me say that again the bureau of labor and statistics doesn't have the relevant numbers... You could not have said a dumber thing if you tried. I didn't pull it out of my ass I used statistics and did math just like I've been telling you to do. Your issue is there's not an illuminated number in bold and underlined that says "percentage of union workers with a college degree or higher". That just isn't likely so you have to do the math to find the number for yourself, you're simply too lazy to do it yourself.
It contains the number for general questions... Call them and ask them dude. The resources are there you just don't like that they involve something other than talking shit and feeling indignant.
No you haven't, you expect the unreasonable from people you refuse to listen to.