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Yeah. But the difference in China is the people that get disappeared are billionaires that started criticisming the government too much. Id rather we disappear some billionaires here. Instead of brown people protesting a genocide.
You have a highly idealistic perspective on China. This isn't to say that things are lerfect in Europe or North America - they most definitely aren't. But it is to say that two things can be true at the same time, i.e., there are growing issues in the West and China has a highly oppressive regime.
There is a natural temptation to whitewash and exxagerate the good in other times and places, especially ones that are directly juxtaposed to the one you are inhabiting and are critical toward.
However, we must resist these temptations lest we doom ourselves to repeat the same mistake over and over.
It's just if you say a single thing positive about China that you get 20 replies about tank man or reeducation camps. No one cares to have a conversation about the thing you said about China they just spew state department talking points.
It's like if I said something about the US being pretty good with gay rights (for now at least) and then people started saying: Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, MOVE bombing, George Floyd, GITMO, etc.
But you are the only reasonable reply here. I don't disagree with much of what you said. I just think the backlash to saying anything positive about China while the US is literally going full 1939 is just completely disconnected. More so than any China idealizing would ever be.
If you were saying anything good about China I might agree with you, but you are not saying anything good about China. What you are complaining about in the US is a lot worse in China.
I love China, say anything that's positive about China and I'll agree with you.
China will not black bag people for supporting Palestine. Palestinian Liberation is as the forefront of the fight against fascism that is unfolding. Their future is our future. China is not suppressing the speech of people that speak out against this genocide. That's why I would say China is "better" right now. Because they are better on the most important issue today. Whether that is by chance or has alternative incentives that does not matter. The US is absolutely worse than China on the free speech that matters right now.
You're just plain wrong about that. The Chinese government hates any kind of social unrest and do not tolerate anything close to the protests happening in the US. The pro-palestine movement in China is suppressed harder in China than in the US.
Notice how that's not the same as black bagging someone? I swear I'm taking crazy pills. Are you paying attention in the US?