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Discord was already succumbing to enshitification. Now with their intention to be owned by Wall Street, that trajectory will certainly accelerate at warp speed once the change of hands happens.

Anyone already get ahead of this and find a solid alternative?

Right now I'm on the fence between Element for Matrix, and Revolt. Both seem to have their pros and cons and I can't find a clear "winner".

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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 51 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (10 children)

Revolt is F/OSS

https://github.com/revoltchat/

It's not just a company with a clone of Discord, all the server back end, etc is open.

[–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 59 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

Yes, which is good, but the lack of federation is a deal-breaker. It means that you either:

  1. Use their servers - This requires entrusting them with your communities, just like Discord.
  2. Host your own private instance - You can control it, but the lack of federation means it'll be isolated from communicating with other communities. This makes it really difficult to convince people to use your self-hosted servers.

Until Revolt adds a way for different instances to federate, Matrix is really the only other option.

[–] aleq@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

My experience with Matrix is that the federation itself is a deal breaker. I have a pretty beefy server and good connection which was getting ddosed by running Matrix and timing out on so many requests for avatars/profiles etc. Maybe I did something wrong, but the whole experience rendered me quite skeptical to the viability of it as a federated chat.

That said I've had nothing but good experiences using it with big servers set up by pros.

[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Why would an optional feature be a deal breaker?

It also seems like an issue that could be easily solved by whitelisting.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

but also with request ratelimiting

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