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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're making zero sense so I'm going to disengage after this. You should consider learning things.

In terms of human rights, you only need to look at the correlation between level of religion in a country vs the personal freedoms. There is also a distinction between what the laws in a country prosecutes and what society prosecutes. Child marriage and arranged child marriage is one example. most countries make it illegal, but its still very common is highly religious societies.

That has fucking nothing to do with what we're talking about. I want examples of Islam being a clear and active component in the rolling back of civil rights across a wide area of the Middle East. You said "Islam is used to restrain people from claiming human rights" and "it is used to infiltrate, undermine and further imperial ambitions" and have so far completely failed to back up that statement. If you can't then say you can't and stop moving the goalposts. Also hell, look at your maps first. Child marriage is, according to your own data, rare in most of the Middle East. You mean to tell me Christian Spain and Britain are child-marrying shitholes compared to the secular utopias of Libya and Algeria? Fucking... dude.

What I would expect to see is a similar pattern of other countries in the world after regime changes. One religious group uses their influence in the government to crack down on other religious groups. or the Government uses one group to go after another group to keep people divided and focused on each-other, rather than against the government.

No, no and no. How about you learn instead of expect?

The de-fanging example I had in mind, was the fall of religious monarchies in Europe resulting in the renaissance

I thought it was only the Middle East, but you need to brush up on European history too. The "fall of religious monarchies in Europe" starts with the French Revolution, a little under four centuries after the start of the renaissance. The renaissance from start to end coexisted with monarchical rule by divine right.

Best to look at the region overall. So using the Malaysia example, you also need to look at the region including Thailand, Indonesia, to compare those examples.

That makes no sense. For one, Thailand doesn't even follow the same religion as Malaysia and Indonesia. For another, if your thesis is correct, it should apply to individual countries too, not just regions, so you should be able to explain how Islam is holding back Malaysia. For a third, this still has nothing to do with your initial claim.

Individual rights and economic prosperity for the average person only really started in Europe when the people became less religious and their Monarchies lost power.

Unless you mean to tell me your average 18th to 19th century Englishman wasn't highly religious, no.

You could say the same thing for places like Japan and its Emperors.

Huh?! It was Emperor Meiji who brought Japan to the modern era what are you even fucking smoking? You are way out of your depth here. Seriously. Also your inability or unwillingness to consider the impact of colonialism and imperialism here will prevent you from ever reaching a worthwhile conclusion on the subject.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I was pulling the conversation all over. Apologies for that.

Getting back to the original points, I agree with you that Colonialism and imperialism are major factors to the current situation in Palestine.

The original point I was making is that religion is being used to perpetuate the conflict and makes the populations vulnerable to manipulation. Something that is used to perpetuate oppression around the world.