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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

How about a proportionate response? Something Israel has refused to learn in ~80 years of oppressing Palestinians.

But also: don't explicitly allow the attack to occur in the first place (which we now know happened). Don't be shocked when 80 years of brutal oppression, ethnic cleansing, and now genocide, leads to desperate people who want to fight back any way they can.

Netanyahu sure as shit isn't shocked. He literally funded Hamas.

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I personally wish that Netanyahu and whoever was in charge of the Defense were punished instead of invading Gaza for retaliation. Sucking up the 1200 slaughtered by the Al Qassam Brigade would have been cheaper with less death for everyone concerned.

From Israel's own self-interest perspective: they have lost 454 soldiers. They have had 148 hostages returned but could have had them all returned (and lost no soldiers) at the start of the war with a swap.

Israel underestimated the extent of the tunnels and the unquestioning support Hamas would get from the Global Left (eg believing the Al Ahli Hospital hoax).

But Hamas (who were as keen for war as Likud) also underestimated: they mistakenly thought the Arab League would join the war like in 1967.

And so the mission creep has gotten us to this situation today. The only realistic way out I see is if Hamas would surrender and the Arab League would occupy and reconstruct. I certainly would not trust Likud and the even more right wing parties in their coalition (who support expansionist terror by settlers in the West Bank).

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Israel underestimated the extent of the tunnels and the unquestioning support Hamas would get from the Global Left

I have seen no such support... Surely you're not equating support for Palestine with Hamas.

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Reporting Hamas propaganda as facts. If stating the source it is always "Gaza Health Ministry" never Hamas even though they are Hamas run.

This emboldens Hamas and prolongs the agony.