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As to extractive capitalism: What part about "strategic autonomy" do you not understand. How can you be autonomous if you're reliant on extractive exploitation. Also, former colonies. Also, ask Mali whether they're faring better under Russia's thumb. France is not in the business of forcing itself on countries if they're hell-bent on making idiotic mistakes. The offer was there to help Mali keep out Islamists and extractive capitalism, what did the Junta do? Invite Wagner over so they can join in massacring the civilian population.
France does have some homework to do regarding its colonial past, big and glaring one being the Haiti debt, but you know what you sound like? Like an ANC politician willing to blame your country's issues on anything but your own corruption. "Oh no it is the colonisers who make us embezzle our people's wealth".
I'm curious why you're not giving specifics. Maybe because it's part of the Russian colonial programme? France left, willingly, when those states withdrew their invitation. They didn't force themselves in in the first place, they were there to fight Boko Haram and like ilk. The states had some reservations "The French are going to do all the fighting without developing our own military capabilities so afterwards we'll still be vulnerable". Germany said "yep we'll expect the same that's how they roll" so Germany went in together with the French, specifically doing training. Both left together once uninvited.
And don't tell me they should've left bases etc. for Wagner to use.
I'm curious: Is Russia currently involved in an imperialist, genocidal conquest of Ukraine? Yes or no. Once that's out of the way we can start talking about Africa.
...and don't fucking even begin talking about Uranium. Noone needs North African Uranium, Australia has everyone covered for millennia to come.
It’s hilarious seeing you talk about “scripts” considering that your modlog reads like a cautionary tale on why you shouldn’t just believe everything the cool kid in detention says.
Chad, as in the country, no. Chad, as in the powers that be in Chad selling it out to foreign interest, yes, they're very much at fault. The Déby dynasty (I guess that's how it's going to be now) is better than Habré but come on none of them are worth even a single clap of applause.
Overall, that's some real neo-colonial, infantilising, BS from you, there, "Oh these poor undeveloped countries can't make decisions for themselves, they're at the whim of foreign influence, they have no agency". That's like 1/1000th of a step away from "we should invade and rule for them because they can't".
No, Tovarish Vatnov. That is not the reason.
There was no kicking anyone out. The government asked France to leave, and France left. That's not a kick.
Still no condemnation of Russian imperial aggression. You know just because you're not using your lemmygrad main doesn't mean that you're not obvious AF.
Don't flatter yourself. I do not fraternalise with imperialists, campist, non-campist, left, right, middle, doesn't matter.
And I'm referring to you consistently refusing to denounce imperialist aggression.
The French (partly) dismantled their own bases, their own military infrastructure. Which is to be expected during a withdrawl, the rest has been transferred. Leaving when asked to is not an act of imperialism or colonialism, and neither is taking your stuff with you.
If, for example, Russia were to withdraw from Ukraine and take all its tanks with them, that would not be an act of imperialism. Them staying, OTOH, is an act of imperialism: The have not been invited. You still have to denounce Russian imperialism.
Did I already mention that you yet have to denounce Russian imperialism? You might want to do that if you want to have a conversation with the grown ups.
Even if that were the case, still better than being an imperialist like you.