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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

America doesn't just have a constitution. It is created by the Constitution. They are deleting America and patriots are cheering it on.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It would have been nice if we had all grown up pledging allegiance to the Constitution instead of to the fucking flag. I mean, soldiers and politicians all have to swear an oath to the Constitution - why do we consider a piece of fabric (that hasn't even stayed the same throughout the history of our country) so much more important?

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A while back I made a collection of all the oaths taken by federal officials, employees, military etc. Each and every one tells them that the Constitution is their guide and it is their duty to protect/defend/support it.

Here they are:

These are each of the oaths that different government servants are required to take when assuming office. Each one requires the person to either support and defend the Constitution or to follow Constitution.

When you see a Congress member surrender their responsibilities to the president or the president say he isn't going to honor a court order you are seeing them violate their oath. That is how nations fail. When the people that are charged with creating or enforcing the laws don't do so then laws don't exist or are selectively enforced as a weapon instead of a tool of protecting the rights of others.

Enlisted: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Officers: "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

President: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Congress: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

Judges: “I, ___ ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as ___ under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”

Civil servants: “I, ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I love this list of oaths we (collectively) take as part of taking office... However, what I think is missing is that we have no oath-breaker laws -- to my knowledge -- that punish people for breaking their oaths. The military might be an exception, as there seems to be a penalty for 'false-swearing,' but I don't know how that's enforced and how objective it is.

Theoretically, oath-breaking is a social issue, and so we're back on the issue where there are tons of guidelines that imply that we should all behave, and we make people "swear" that they will behave certain ways, with the assumption that if they break those oaths, they will be punished socially -- by being primaried if elected, voted out, "sanctioned", or similar -- but these punishments require the society to determine the oath was broken. When that contract is broken and there are enough people who agree that ignoring the oath is acceptable, those oath-breakers have no punishment.

Presidents ignoring the constitution, service-members following orders that are unconstitutional, judges failing to be impartial, etc. The solution is supposed to be ostracism, impeachment... social. But when the social penalties are outweighed by the potential gains, then an oath is just empty words to someone with no morals.

The party of law and order, of family values, of tradition and respect certainly appears to have turned a blind eye to anyone disregarding oaths or promises that they find inconvenient.They preach mightily about how to be good, but are seldom good when they think no one is looking.

I find it funny how most of these oaths end with 'so help me god.' Maybe at one time, the rich and powerful feared god's wrath. They certainly don't now. As an atheist, I don't fear it either, but that doesn't stop me from being kind to others and striving to make the world a better place.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The Declaration of Independence is what created the country. The Articles of Confederation where the first attempt at a Constitution, but failed. It wasn't until 1787 (i.e. 11 years later) that the current Constitution was ratified.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

The declaration severed ties with Britain and the king. It did not create the United States. It did create 13 separate nation States though. The United States of America was not accomplished until the Constitution which was more than a decade later.