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[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canonical. They had that brilliant idea of wayland-by-default in 2017.

It was a great clusterfuck of frustration for me and other Ubuntu users

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Fedora even switched to Wayland by default in 2016 (at least for the GNOME release). I don't know what they were thinking. 8 to 9 years before they were already using Wayland... and it still have some "problems". Can't imagine what you were going through. :D

But compared to Fedora, Ubuntu only did change temporarily to Wayland right? I mean it was not an LTS version. I installed LTS 18.04 and don't remember anything like that by default.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

It was actually fine (ish)

The basics worked and you could switch back if you wanted to

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Fedora 42 even eliminated X11 as an option (I think they're reversing that stance now, though), which made it unusable on my (now dead) Nvidia laptop with dual monitors. I thought they really jumped the gun on that one.

I ended up jumping to AMD graphics so I wouldn't have any problems with Wayland, but then discovered there's a nasty bug that causes frequent system freezes on AMD systems. Thankfully I was on Debian, so I could easily switch back to X11. Things have been stable now, but I just feel like I can't win with Wayland 😅

Wayland does seem to work well with Intel graphics, at least.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, they are reverting back. Fedora users always live on the edge. They are basically (but not quite right) "always" the first accepting a new technology. Not even Archlinux does that. Arch users obviously live on the edge too, but for other reasons. :D

But wasn't Fedora not going to discontinue X11 support only for GNOME version? I thought other spins are still allowed to support it, but doesn't matter anymore, because they reverting this idea back. I think. But why didn't you switch to another distribution, instead buying new hardware, if that was the only problem?

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 23 hours ago

From what I recall when trying it, I don't think KDE had X11 as an option either, which is my preferred DE. The other spins did retain X11 though.

My laptop with Nvidia graphics became unstable due to faulty hardware, so I used the opportunity to switch to an AMD desktop to hopefully have longer term reliability. I would've stuck with the laptop and just used Linux Mint, had it not failed.

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago

Wayland does seem to work well with Intel graphics, at least.

heh https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/13319

tbf this is not fault of wayland but gnome deciding to make GTK4 use vulkan by default on wayland.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah Ubuntu backed out with the next major release. Probably because of user complaints.