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French Car Brand Renault To Go Completely Leather-Free By The End Of 2025 (plantbasednews.org)
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[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fabric isn't superior in comfort, it has way too much friction. Definitely the cheaper and greener option though.

[โ€“] Lazhward@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You must be wearing leather underwear then?

[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 day ago

Lmao

It's a very different fabric from seats, which need to last way longer and use tougher fabrics.

[โ€“] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, it's a matter of opinion, but leather sucks in hot and in cold weather. It doesn't breathe so I get super sweaty, and it gets super cold in winter. So luxury cars compensate with heated seats and in-seat ventilation...

I've never considered the friction of my car seat to even be a factor, I don't tend to move much once I'm sat down.

[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't even stand clothes that rub against my skin the wrong way, let alone car seats lol. Maybe some sort of sensory overload issue for me.

Where I live, it gets so cold you can't drive away right after starting the engine anyway, you won't see through your windows. You start the engine and heated seats and heated rear window (and front if you have a Ford) and then start clearing the ice off your windows.

In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car.

[โ€“] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car.

If you dont have ass melting leather, you can just roll the windows down and drive off instantly as the motion creates a breeze to push out the hot air. Even with AC, leather becomes sticky with sweat, there simply no win for it.

[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat?

[โ€“] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath.

Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool...

[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat

[โ€“] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties.

I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity

[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live.

Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol

[โ€“] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason.

[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska.

For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it

Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโ€™s not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon.

Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel.

Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car