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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

No, I’d rather see them abolished. But they do exist, and allowing the US or Europe to decide which ones are acknowledged is a big problem in today’s world.

People who exercise their own autonomy should have that autonomy acknowledged. Full stop. Pretending it doesn’t exist is harmful, even if that autonomy is being used to hurt people.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel may have been a mistake in 1947 but there is no point in not recognizing them. They are there, they exist, you can't undo what happened in 47.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course we can. We can stop funding them financially and militarily, we can stop doing business with them, and we can refuse their citizens travel, until they stop genocide and end apartheid.

You're pretending like this isn't common place already, it's just unfathomable that it can happen to Israel for some reason?

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That has nothing to do with "stop recognizing them as a country" and the west loses more by not allowing citizens travel (because people wouldn't be able to go to holy sites, it works both way).

And man, the EU can't even properly sanction Russia, do you really think they care about the middle east at all? Specially when not even the countries around care about Palestina.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Pretending it doesn’t exist is harmful, even if that autonomy is being used to hurt people.

What? What is this "pretending"? What do you think we're talking about? And what makes pretending Israel isn't a state, if that's what you understood being said, harmful?

I’d rather see them abolished

That's what we're talking about. Let's abolish Israel, and create a new state for all the people, historically we'd call that Palestine, but I'm okay with coming up with a new name.