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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Uh, no. This anti-Harris lefty, like the vast majority of anti-Harris lefties, knows an outside strategy is insane and mostly right wing propaganda.

I meant anti-Harris lefties who actively wanted her to lose to Trump. (Which TBH, if they were vocally anti-Harris when it was clear it was her or Trump, they did)

Maybe if there had been more anti-Harris lefties in the party, we would have had a viable candidate.

How? How would you propose that could have realistically happened?

Nope. The following is from a Pew Research study.

So quit uncritically accepting the mainstream establishment excuses. Harris lost because she was a shitty candidate, not because the left doesn’t vote.

Did I say it was specifically because "the left doesn't vote"? No.

Its partially because more of them don't vote compared to the last election.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/kamala-harris-moved-right-did-it-cost-her-the-election

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-underperformed-three-demographics-1981222

The ratios of progressives vs centrists who normally vote anyway is irrelevant. What is crucial is the percentage shift in voting behavior within groups election to election. Clearly this election centrist Democrats, Progressive Democrats, and left leaning indies failed to get out and vote compared to previous elections.

Its not hard to figure out why but its not a singular reason.

Now does some of the blame go to the Democratic establishment? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. But not all of it.

Fuck everyone even remotely responsible. Just fuck them. I legitimately hate them. (Including Harris and Biden themselves)

Gosh, were you out campaigning for Harris? I just can’t understand how she didn’t attract more voters. Scolding voters seems like such a solid strategy. /s

I did actually, I traveled 5 hours out of state to canvass for her in a swing state. I was a different person then.

I can tell you, I'm done now. Political action is dead for me. I don't want to swim up a fucking waterfall anymore. I'm done spending my own time and money on this shit. Not enough people give a flying fuck. If it takes things getting critically apocalyptic-level bad for average people to move their dumb-fuck-asses and be politically conscious about what is going to happen to them when fascists win I can't bring myself to care about them anymore.

So you can go ahead and choose to not vote next election. I don't care enough to argue with you on that now. Because now it wont be arguments convincing people, it'll be catastrophic damage done to the country and their ability to put 2 and 2 together.

The time of bickering for positive change is over. Now we get to see some mass death and material suffering. I already tried. I not putting more of myself in for a ride I very much did not sign up for and in fact tried very hard to avoid.

At this point I'm just screaming into brick wall for a sliver of catharsis.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -1 points 1 day ago

I meant anti-Harris lefties who actively wanted her to lose to Trump

If you think that's a large enough group that it had any impact whatsoever on the election, then you are insane.

How? How would you propose that could have realistically happened?

Well, for one we wouldn't have nominated Biden and never would have been in that position with Harris. We might have also held Biden's feet to the fire more, thus discovering his mental state long before election time.

Its partially because more of them don’t vote compared to the last election.

None of that says that "lefties" in particular didn't vote for Harris. Left policy sells, so a further left Harris would have done better, but that's the establishment's fault, not leftists. It also doesn't take a leftist to be against genocide.

Now does some of the blame go to the Democratic establishment? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. But not all of it.

That's funny, because nothing you said before gave them any fault at all, and you definitely seemed in the mood to throw fault around.

So you can go ahead and choose to not vote next election. I don’t care enough to argue with you on that now.

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING TO?