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A California jury awarded Michael Garcia $50 million after he suffered severe burns from a spilled Starbucks hot tea, requiring skin grafts and causing permanent disfigurement.

Garcia’s lawsuit alleged a Starbucks employee failed to secure the drink in a tray, leading to the spill. Starbucks offered a $30 million settlement with confidentiality, which Garcia rejected.

The company plans to appeal, calling the damages excessive.

The case echoes past lawsuits over hot beverage burns, including the famous McDonald’s coffee case from the 1990s.

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[–] MSids@lemmy.world -4 points 16 hours ago (13 children)

Black tea needs to be brewed pretty close to boiling, and even green tea is brewed at 185, the same temp as the McDonald's coffee incident. I don't know how you can brew tea to order and hand it to someone a moment later without it still being at almost the exact same temperature. Tea also needs 3-5 minutes to steep, and you can't hold up a drive through just to hand it over.

I'm not much for Starbucks, so don't take this as me defending them, but I think most honest people would have trouble articulating why this merits a $50mm lawsuit. Imagine a similar ruling coming down on your local cafe.

[–] mocha@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (9 children)

This is just straight up false. I regularly brew black and herbal teas at 70-75°C (158-167°F) if I'm in a rush. It steeps long before cooling to a drinkable temperature. I haven't tried brewing green tea this way but I doubt it's much different.

Sun tea is brewed barely above ambient temperature (although that of course takes hours to steep).

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

It's not "straight up false". You're literally brewing your tee under the accepted norm. Most anyone who makes black tee knows the correct brewing temperature is around 205f. There's so many sources that it should be brewed over 195f there isn't even a valid argument you could try to make against this. Same temps for herbal teas.

White, yellow, and green teas get lower temps. Not black or herbal. Heck, just Google search "black leaf tea brewing temperature". I doubt you'll be able to find a single real source that states under 195f

[–] mocha@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Physics doesn't care about "accepted norms". Tea can steep well under boiling. Yes, even black tea. There are countless recipes online for sun tea that specify that the tea be steeped at ambient temperature. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a location where that gets far above 50°C.

So no, tea, even black tea, does not require near-100°C water.

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

sun tea

There’s nothing wrong with enjoying an unconventional recipe for tea, but this is not what most people around the world are looking for when ordering tea. I guess suggesting that fast food places switch to lower brewing temperatures and different recipes to avoid this issue is interesting if that’s what you’re suggesting. The taste would be different though.

It doesn’t require such hot water per se, but you get a lot more flavor in a shorter period of time when brewing hot tea or coffee. You see this with cold brew coffee recipes taking hours to brew and still producing different flavors from iced coffee. (Coffee brewed hot, then cooled.) I searched up some recipes for sun tea, and they also take hours to brew. That doesn’t work for a fast food restaurant trying to make tea on demand. If you lower the temperature to even 85 C for black tea you will be able to taste a difference.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 hours ago

Confident stupid people are why trump is in office.

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