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[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Gen Ai is the same

It’s not lol. It’s amazing how many people will argue for AI by listing the merits of actual creative tools, then just try to package AI in there as well.

I believe the massive VC bait marketing push is to blame for this. It’s been fun in real life learning who is and isn’t hooked into the corporate propaganda IV.

I'm not perverting any argument

You continue to pervert in fact, by saying random things and talking to me as if I said them. Like I said, don’t care, go nuts.

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not a tool? If I plug it into Blender and get a skeleton of an asset I wouldn't otherwise be able to make with my resource constraints, that's not a useful part of the process? Just because it has tradeoffs doesn't mean it has no applications.

I understand people who argue against it on ethical grounds, but I'll never understand arguing it always makes everything 100% worse. Telling people "just spend X hours learning to make it" or "just pay someone on fivver" or "restructure your project so you don't need it" just to protect the sanctity of the artform is thinly veiled elitism.

I've personally used Gen AI in projects and found some useful applications. My own personal experience is corporate propoganda? Or am I just a filthy plebeian because I couldn't dedicate multiple days to learning other tools?

If I followed your advice those projects wouldn't have been finished. You can scroll up and read your own comments, I was on a shoestring budget and wasn't willing to cut into other responsibilities or shrink the project into a toy. Or is this just "framing" as you say, when really I shouldn't have pursued my art at all because I wasn't willing to risk my paycheck?

These are genuine questions, what should I have done? Why would it have been better to do it another way? I don't want to make a strawman, I want to know how your pontificating results in anything useful outside of an internet discussion.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't want to make a strawman

You seem quite compelled nevertheless! Sheesh. You wrote quite a lot of nonsense after being repeatedly warned that I’m not interested.

You can scroll up and read your own comments

Sure can! As can anyone else. It makes your ludicrous sensationalist gaslighting totally transparent

My own personal experience is corporate propoganda?

I don’t know you. Wouldn't be that surprising. You think they make propaganda just for laughs? It’s worth considering the dangers inherent to your process, friend.

These are genuine questions

Lmao

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right, so everything you said is hot air. If you're not going to bother defending your position and applying it to a simple non-hypothetical situation then I guess you concede that it's bunk. Clearly you're interested enough to repeatedly assert that you're right, but just saying "gaslighting" and "strawman" isn't convincing anyone.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Congratulations on proclaiming yourself the victor of whatever this was! It’s quite fitting that in the end you have decided not just to put words in my mouth, but indeed have chosen to decide the opinion of all future readers as well

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You: "I don't think the small team argument holds any water, [lists examples of popular minimalist indie games, argues for cutting scope and following their style]"

Me: "My project, at the modest scale I designed with my resource restrictions, was only possible by using Gen Ai to speed development of some assets"

You: "No you're wrong, that's not what I said, you're a shill, gaslighting, strawman, narrative framing, etc..."

If you're not defending your argument at all, I'm going to interpret your position as not worth defending.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

After all this time friend, you still have me confused with someone that cares about your interpretation of events?