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[–] InternetRando@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (21 children)

It means that he's going to make himself beholden to donors like every establishment Dem does so even if all the leftists vote for him they're not going to get what they voted for thanks to The Machine. He absolutely positively should NOT do ANYTHING that is geared towards trying to woo the Establishment. AOC didnt do it, along with several others. He is WINNING; there is NO reason to change tactics. Besides, he's running for Mayor. There is no reason to involve any "advisors" from old national races that are irrelevant now.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (20 children)

even if all the leftists vote for

That's my point, and also the mistake. I'm a first past the post system, you don't vote FOR anything. You vote AGAINST the worst candidate. Not voting is the same as voting for the worst because it moves the goal posts closer.

So until people understand that, there's no help in highlighting flaws in Democrat candidates. It only scares off the people who don't understand FPTP.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (19 children)

That’s my point, and also the mistake. I’m a first past the post system, you don’t vote FOR anything. You vote AGAINST the worst candidate.

This message brought to you by the second worst party. By as thin a margin as they think they can get away with.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you're saying both parties suck, and also agree with the fact that our current voting system holds us hostage?

I'm 100% with you. And until we get ranked choice voting, we hold our nose and vote Democrat to reduce how big of a shaft is rammed into our minority friends and family.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As they sprint to the right and throw our minority friends and family under the bus for the glorious privilege of gaining zero republican votes. And then they blame the left for the results of their complicity with fascists.

But I can't dare gripe about it, ostensibly because it HeLpS tHe RePuBliCanS, but in all cases it's really because centrists don't want any criticism as they move so far to the right that they're supporting genocide.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you're saying it doesn't help the Republicans?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm saying that centrists already help the republicans.

But god fucking forbid someone to their left have any criticism whatsoever.

You don't care about a goddamned thing except securing the silence of the left.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I care about securing the success of the Democrats. Anything else is securing l ensuring success of Republicans. It's literally two choices. You don't get a good one. You hope to reject the worse one.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I care about securing the success of the Democrats.

And moving to the right and throwing vulnerable minorities under the bus hasn't done that, but it's helping republicans to try to get the party to ever stop betraying anyone not named netanyahu or cheney.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Irrelevant. You only get two options. Bad or worse. And if you fail to vote, you get worse.

Youre a hostage. So am I. And until we get ranked choice voting, or run for office ourselves, we remain hostages. And in hostage situations, you just have to strive for the least bad option.

It's very not complicated. It's rigged. And not in our favor.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Irrelevant. You only get two options. Bad or worse. And if you fail to vote, you get worse.

I do vote and I get worse anyway. And centrist shitheads interpret anything other than performative worship of their garbage party as not voting. You don't hjave to convince me to vote. You're just trying to convince me to shut up. You're getting what you want and you're gloating.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I think my point is, you're convincing other people to not vote. You may not intend that, but that's certainly what you're doing.

But how about we meet halfway. For every complaint you post online to the internet, where some random person will read it and feel bad and not vote, I also would love if you called your actual Democrat representative and tried influencing them for the changes you want.

That's surely not asking too much, right?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think my point is, you’re convincing other people to not vote

That's a convenient fiction you've concocted to silence valid criticism.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

81,283,501 voted for Biden.

75,017,613 voted for Harris.

What is your explanation for why 6 million extra people stayed home? Because my explanation is that 6 million people were dissuaded by negative attitude towards Democrats in general. But I'm happy to change my opinion if there's some good reasoning behind another explanation.

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