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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Given the mechanical saftey built into those switches, Unfortunately I guess that leaves us with two reasonable possibilities:

A) One of the pilots was somehow mistaken on the function of those switches and toggled them when they should not have. Then they genuinely thought they hadn't when asked why they had cutoff fuel.

Or

B) One of the pilots chose to cut off fuel supply to both engines, intentionally bringing down the plane. They then lied to the other pilot when asked why they'd cutoff fuel.

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

both pilots were experienced and had also passed breathalyser tests before the flight too (source)

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Breathalysers don't detect tired or suicidal pilots.

The interim report stated copilot was pilot flying meaning they only focus on flying and he had also just flown already today. Captain however was his first flight in his shift and was also pilot monitoring.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Could have been cut off by one pilot as part of a troubleshooting attempt, maybe? Thinking “it’s not cut off, just a temporary state of affairs” or something like that. Just trying to think of ways this could be a miscommunication instead of blatant misconduct :(

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There’s no communication between the two pilots before the switches were moved to cutoff to suggest they encountered any problems prior to fuel cutoff.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I didn’t realize how soon after takeoff this was when I proposed that idea either. There’s no way shutting off the fuel during takeoff would be a reasonable decision.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

There is no procedure that involves cutting off fuel to both engines while in-flight; one at a time, but not both. Then, there is no procedure that ever involves touching those controls during takeoff. Finally; there would be communication between the pilots discussing any such troubleshooting, they wouldn't just take it upon themselves to start flipping switches without at the very least letting the other pilot know what they're doing. Particularly when it comes to troubleshooting; there is a strict set of checklists they go through as a team, with one reading out questions, the other responding with data/answers from the instruments and the first confirming that response.

These were both experienced pilots with ample flight hours; they knew what they were doing at those controls. I'm not going to throw human error out the window entirely, but it's not looking very likely unfortunately.

Either that plane was brought down intentionally, or there was a stunning error in judgment wildly disregarding procedure in that cockpit that was not communicated at all. (note: the mics record to the blackbox continuously, they're not ptt, if one of the pilots had said something, it'd be on the tape.)

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the planes also arent supposed to automatically dip downwards but here we are

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You can't exactly expect a plane to keep flying when you've commanded the engines to stop running/taken away their fuel at such a critical time...

[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think they're referring to the software issues that bought down multiple 737 MAXs, though it shouldn't be relevant here because 787s don't have the modified software that caused the crashes.

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

He is blaming Boeing, or more correctly he doesn't trust Boeing to be 100% innocent.