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[–] finder585@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What came first? The chicken or the egg?

Did the system that created the conditions people find themselves in come first. Or did the people running the system create the conditions that they find themselves in?

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is not that there isn't some flow both ways, but that the material conditions is much more dominant than people coming up with ideas and mechanations moving things in ways contradicting the conditions. The system setting the conditions is in fact dominant. The way corruption and self-dealing manifests is different between where you can just create a private corporation and lobby for a government contract to justify being given a 500 million dollars of tax payer money, versus trying to massage Gosplan to syphon off several million Rubles of excess spending, versus tricking a sovereign wealth fund to hand over several billion dollars for some supposed innovative building company to create innovations for Neom.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 17 hours ago

Thank you for the answers! That makes sense to me.