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[โ€“] huppakee@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven't been to France that much but I believe a serious part of all french people consider drinking wine so much part of 'good culture' they really don't think you should limit underage drinking entirely. More like, you're 15 so you can only have one glass. But that might be based on a stereotype so please respond if you disagree this is a thing.

[โ€“] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The thing is that people who want to will drink regardless. If it's entirely illegal, they'll do it in secret. If it's legal, there is at least some chance of supervision. Just look how Americans behave the moment they turn 21. And what they will do to get alcohol when younger. (forged identity documents for example, having a fake ID document is considered pretty normal among US teenagers) That's what you get for infantilising your youths and young adults and banning them from drinking entirely.

[โ€“] Laser@feddit.org -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Drinking culture from my understanding is similar or worse in the UK, and they can start drinking earlier. So this can't be the only factor leading to that behavior.

Also most people here, from my impression, that so have a problem start drinking early.

I actually think nowadays that this is one of the things the US does right. Prohibition was too ambitious, but they at least had good intentions (e.g. lower violence against women, which it achieved)

Edit: getting some nice downvotes. Here is a quote from a study that looked at the issue:

Comparing our findings to the US literature, we find that the jump in binge drinking at the low MLDA (minimum legal drinking age) of 16 in Austria is about 25 percent larger than the jump at the MLDA of 21 in the US. At the same time the binge drinking incidence for teenagers slightly below the MLDA cutoffs is clearly higher in Austria than in the US (in Austria, the incidence below the age-16 cutoff is 50 percent, in the US it is 33 percent below the age-21 cutoff). This pattern speaks against the argument that a low MLDA helps teenagers to ease into drinking and consume alcohol responsibly (Wechsler and Nelson, 2006).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167629621001569