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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (27 children)

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

[–] brad_troika@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Half the military and technology assets that won't ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.

He'll veto every action that goes against Russia... Which is what NATO was originally formed to do...

[–] biggerBear@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 day ago

I don't think it matters, the EU contains a mutual defense pact as well. Even if NATO fails to respond due to Trump being an Epstein related kiddie diddler, EU members have each other's back. Turkey would be left out in the cold though.

So there's no downside to having the US in NATO. Unless you're Turkey.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

NATO is not against russia. It is against certain things that russia does to its neighbours who subscribe to NATO membership.

[–] brad_troika@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

US arms are still flowing to Ukraine and the sanctions against Russia still stand. I'm not saying things haven't gotten worse under Trump but it's clear that the US still has an anti-Russia policy.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.

Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.

the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually, if you're curious, look up how many wars the US has actually outright won on their own without being part of a coalition of allies.

The answer is shockingly few.

Even their great revolution needed help from an, at the time, true superpower i.e. the French.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

checked a wiki page about that.

it's frankly embarrassing how much the US military actually sucks.

likely human history most expensive military, and a complete waste of resources

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The expense and waste is the point. Winning never was.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

war is profitable, winning is irrelevant, soldiers lost are replaceable.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

thats why they do these aggressive recruitment propaganda every few years, having a movie like top gun maverick helped alot last year and propaganda like business insider video of military jobs. and yes most of them are aimed at POCs. when obama came into power, recruitment/military was actually downsizing in a peacetime military, but trump reversed it the moment he was in his first time. i was in forums where it was when obama was in charge, it was getting harder and harder to get into the military(people were getting denied left and right for medical and financial and crime reasons that mightve seen consideration during the bush era), then i magically reversed the moment he left office.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

it was always to justify the defense budget to go into the pockets of the contractors, the politicians and the lobbyists.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll grant you it's a big racket, it's corrupt, it's inefficient, but I don't think it's a skill issue.

https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE

I wouldn't consider failing to win the hearts and minds of the local populace using violence a military failure rather than a policy failure.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ukraine showed that modern warfare is a different game than it used to.

it's s resource war, cheap drones can cause lots of damage, and it is far more costly to fight them. long range rockets, v defense systems...

and given that US have painfully expensive toys, they won't be able to hold of again a cheap enemy.

yhea, Maybe the F22 can outmanoeuvre another airplane in a dogfight, but who tf needs a dogfight? the enemy can just launch a volley of self guided missiles that costs 100x to intercept.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

That's true, but I doubt the US military is standing still on the drone front. Surely they'd be able to field their own swarms of drones. Perhaps some electronic warfare stuff too to disrupt drone communications. And if not at this moment, it won't be long. Every military on Earth is learning from what we're seeing.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah but we won the war om werewolves.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yea Just like how the Afghans kicked expansionist russia out. Afghans are strong people. it is a place where empires go to commit suicide.

Although US got Osama (hiding in Pakistan though).

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That was to funnel money, steal gold, and oil.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

in a way, the "mission accomplished" was true

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

basically like how the russians do it, with bodies, and money, except the usa wastes more money. no strategy, just keep throwing waves of campaign after campaign of wars, plus it also justify have a 800bn budget. tangentially, this is what mr benjamin is doing constant war aggression so he keeps getting aid from the us. Pakistan does it too, just pretend they are doing something about the taliban in thier borders, just to keep getting aid.

[–] brad_troika@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Maybe it sucks holding the country or building new relations but it excels at invading it and did it successfully in Afghanistan as well.

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