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[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (10 children)

You can't resist technology, it will ALWAYS win. Economies always strive to be more efficient, and people will always gravitate towards the convenience of efficiency. Because of this, new technologies get adopted all the time, and economies evolve with them.

Think about computers for a second. How many jobs have they created that didn't exist 50 years ago? There were no online retailers or social media managers or youtubers or software engineers back then. These are all new jobs that were created recently, and they dominate our economy. Even traditional jobs that didn't use computers before like an accountant, lawyer, or doctor do now because these are powerful tools.

But it's not just computers, the same thing happened with the television, the radio, the telegraph, cars, trains, even light bulbs. Before, electric street lamps became a thing, cities used to hire lamplighters who would go around the streets lighting and extinguishing gas lamps. When electric street lamps started being adopted a lot of people complained about how this new technology is going to automate away jobs and hurt the economy... but it didn't.

Instead, the economy specialized and people created new businesses and took on new jobs. The same thing will happen here. It's simply going be the next major thing to evolve the economy, and we will adopt it and adapt to it just like the many different technologies before it.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Nobody is arguing that technology won’t progress. Even Marx defends that as a precondition for socialism/communism.

The question is the following. Tomorrow a ground breaking technology is developed that makes literally everyone twice as productive. (Please let’s ignore the technical aspect of this. I’m simplifying for the sake of the argument, but this is happening at some paces everywhere).

Now you have 3 options:

  1. Everyone can just work half the time for the same productivity. I.e. the economy can sustain itself with people just working less (which is a MAJOR quality of life increase).
  2. Everyone works the same amount of time but their salaries double.
  3. Everyone works the same amount of time. Their salaries increase a small %, perhaps keeping up with inflation, perhaps a tiny bit more than that, sometimes even not keeping up with inflation. The added productivity results in increased wealth aggregation at the top.

Number 1 is what people are talking about in this thread.

Number 2 won’t happen because salaries aren’t actually tied to productivity. Productivity just sets a higher limit on salary that in any case is never reached. The salaries are actually determined by competition between workers.

Number 3. Has been happening since the seventies and will continue to happen.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree that we've been doing number 3 for decades. Sooner or later that has to lead to a revolution though right?

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Supposedly

But things need to become real bad

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