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Universal basic income could help us achieve this. There are people working right now to make this a reality in America
There was a time back when this was possible.
Bikers back in the day would work construction or some other hard labor for half the year and then hit the road for 2-4 months.
The partial working income was enough to cover all thier bills, the bike/gear, motel stays and drinking.
People still do this. I have a buddy who only works 3-4 months a year. Hes a pipeline welder so long hours and hard work, but then he travels around the rest of the time
It works for them because their work is high skill and always useful, general office work like mine (dev) is impossible to find a job if you were to immediately quit. It's quite different when you're competing against thousands of cheap IT graduates looking to flock to your country and work for pennies on the dollar.
BTW not saying I'm anti immigration, it's just the way the tech space is right now.
Not American but I've heard American companies hire foreigners because they can wage slave them with Visa entrapment, no Visa and you're deported. People that are trying to improve their life are just taken advantage of.
I haven't heard of anything like that happening to tradespeople
I think it's more because pipeline work is inherently unstable so they get paid a lot but it's for short contracts. Plus it means businesses are more used to transient workers.
Like my buddy can clear $80k in 3 months working 100hr weeks. There's no IT job in the world that would give you those kinds of hours.
And yeah, American companies sometimes use the visa trap to get workers. But don't pretend thats a uniquely American phenomenon haha
the retirement goal is to be a year round camp host for the park system. I'd say national park, but my favorite is a state park and i don't expect the US national park system to exist in, uh, carry the two, 2065 when I am finally allowed to either die or retire.
I kind of do this. I high rig for concerts in the summer, then fuck off the rest of the year.
In controlled environments, maybe — however those controlled environments still interact with currently established economies.
I'm just not convinced that UBI scaled up will actually result in anything other than what takes place in the Expanse.
I think it's less the interaction with currently established economies and more that it would never pass without ~~lobbyists~~ Congressmen sabotaging the law to make it fail and then using that to say, "See!? UBI doesn't work ~~(when you set it up to fail)~~!"
I mean, yes — but the reality is that universal basic income dictates that everyone gets the money.
For instance, let's say Congress allows the perfect UBI bill to be put forth. For whatever Bizarro World reason you can conjure, because we both agree that they would never agree.
What happens next? We've already seen what regulatory capture has done to sectors like real estate. Corpos buy up shitloads of land, whether it's individuals looking to be land barons or alongside corporate interests.
How would true UBI result in anything other than higher prices? Seriously, in the current markets that exist within the United States — how, without some kind of serious societal and economic shift prior to it's introduction, would this actually play out?
Maybe it's better in other democracies, I actually can't really argue for any other nation — I can only apply this concept to what I already know. I just think UBI is a concept that can only exist in a place entirely separate from corporate greed, and that is definitely not the United States.
They stole our data to train AI. So, if in the future that robots displaced the vast majority of jobs, then tax the robots to fund UBI.