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[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He was:

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else

Regardless even if he was a "christian", he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon.

[–] xtapa@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You say he was, and then post an article that concludes

it seems evident his religion was closest to pantheism

and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn't either.

Then there's "Mein Kampf" where Hitler himself talks about continuing "the work of the Lord".

So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herren.

So today I believe I am acting in the spirit of the almighty Creator: By resisting the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.

A speech of him from 1927:

Wir müssen Gott dan­ken für diese Gnade. (…) Gott hat Völker, aber keine Klassen geschaffen.

We must thank God for this grace. (…) God created peoples, not classes.

And a speech from 1939:

Es sei „eine Anmaßung, anzunehmen, daß der liebe Gott die Welt nur für ein oder zwei Völker geschaffen habe.“

It is “presumptuous to assume that the dear/good Lord created the world only for one or two peoples.”

"Der liebe Gott" is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.

Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?

Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.

Every attempt to make him a "not christian" comes down to "no true scotsman", as you skillfully demonstrate:

he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:

This is literally every argument Christians make in defense of their hateful ideology.

They really should change the name of the fallacy to "no true Christian"

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Good writeup man, but it's still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff.... but thatwill remain subjective still. That's why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.

[–] xtapa@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside

A thing no one can do.

He lied about talking to god

Opinion with no base. One could say >subjective

Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist

Thats both, opinion with no base and bullshit. Christians (or believers of any religion) do and have done horrible things. Being a christian / theist does not stop you from being a bad person. You want to tell me that Hitler was no true scotsman?

Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy

And thats all you can do, because you, just like me, can not tell what people think or believe.

while both of us we know (...) that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff

I don't. And I think it's arrogant to pretend to know what someone believes when he states other.

this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit

Not a thing a believer couldn't do. Actually a thing believers quite often do.

but thatwill remain subjective still

Agree.

That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist

You don't know, you just think. And for what we have left on the table to examine, you're wrong.

it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists

Yet, believers commonly use the lie of "Hitler beeing atheist" as an example for atheists beeing bad people.

In conclusion, once again, a pretty wordy "no true scotsman"

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You don't know, you just think. And for what we have left on the table to examine, you're wrong.

Well, I can explain more of what I said again, but no I'm not wrong. If I'm wrong, then it's subjective and you're wrong. Okay so, let me explain more to you what his true belief was, which was there was no god aka an athiest: Lets go over what I said again. 1- He lied about talking to god: If that was not true, then you're claiming that hitler was shizophrinic, which is a claim I never heard before. No... lets face it without reasonable doubt, Hitler and the likes of him lie about god's message to them...etc to exploit a cult into evil idologies. Okay, that alone really shows what he really believes inside.

2- Changed religon and exploited people's faith for evil: If your belief was objectively deviant, then you either shock yourself and follow it against your own morality, or leave it seeking the truth. In hitler's case, he was the one changing scripture for his own evil gains. It does not make sense otherwise.. what are you trying to say? That hitler was someone good from the inside but he sincerely misguided himself against his own moral compass and preached evil against his own desires? and that h just became crazy evil because he had no choice but to believe the scriptures and teachings which he created then preached himself...?!

3- He comitted suicide when surrounded: He was the one doing god's message and god's work and had nothing to fear as god was on his side until the moment he dies. He was the chosen one for god's work... Where did his faith go? Go watch the interviews of people of faith. They interview Palestinian and Yemeni leaders telling them that Israel has announced their assassination unless they stop or surrender, ... they smile saying " I now have little time so I have to work harder to earn my myrtedom and meet god! I cant wait to receive this honor after all these years of work at this age. This is the message I believed and fought for until the day I die."
Hitler had no faith and knew to get away from facing consequences by dying and facing nothing afterward.. which is really somethimg only an atheist can do.

Ok bye bus arrived!