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β€œI am ready to sit down with President Trump at the appropriate time under a position where there is respect for Canadian sovereignty and we are working for a common approach, a much more comprehensive approach for trade,” Carney said.

This is the way. Leaders need to stop entertaining the orange idiot. He's the shitty kid that breaks stuff to get attention. Trump needs a time out.

I like Iran's attitude. They said "Whatever. Do what you're going to do." and didn't bother having more of a conversation.

This is what Canada needs to do.

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[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

Steve Bannon actually explained the reasons why Trump wants Canada so bad, and it's actually pretty "rational". I don't want the US to take over, but we need to understand just how much they would gain if they annexed us.

  • More access points to the melting Arctic cap and all the untapped resources underneath
  • More liberties to plant military bases across the north of the continent, to secure what is seen as the soft underbelly of North America
  • All the other resources, all of our expertise, all of our hydro-electric potential

Mind you, this also explains the weird obsession with Greenland. There are military thinkers that want to create a defensive position out of the newly freed strait that will manifest north of Canada, and Greenland/Canada are key positions to do this.

It's dangerous to hand wave this as a weird and quirky tantrump, there's some really greedy fuckers across the border and they want direct dibs on the Arctic.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

How much of that stuff would Canada and the US have done together anyway because we're conjoined twins?

Other than that weird businessman thing of "it's not ALL OURS" I don't see the point. We already do joint military operations with Canada defending the arctic, to include NORAD. If climate change makes the ice cap a more viable land or sea route to attack North America, I'd count on our two nations to work together to counter that. I have to imagine we have submarines in the Arctic anyway.

We've already got as much of the Great White North as we can handle in Alaska to drill/mine/log. I don't need ownership of Toronto to do that.

Now as for sea routes, this one I think is interesting. Because in addition to Canada and Greenland, the diaper in chief has mentioned re-acquiring the Panama Canal. The thing there is, the Panama Canal has had to operate at decreased capacity because Lake Gatun can't take it; the canal is draining too much water from the lake, which the entire nation of Panama needs to live. The "grow at all costs" business sector loves to ignore things like "the canal is going to physically stop working because the lake will be empty, and also it will render the entire nation of Panama unsurvivable due to lack of water" so I'm sure the billionaires pulling Trump's strings want the canal forced to run at max capacity no matter what, and we can't do that while the Canal is under Panamanian ownership because the nation of Panama isn't going to kill itself for some boats full of buttplugs and slogan T shirts.

So less shipping traffic has been able to pass through the canal. So more traffic bound from the Atlantic to the Pacific or vice versa needs to go around The Horn. Or for just one time, you can take the Northwest Passage, and find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea. A lot of the Northwest Passage lies in Greenland...ish? Greenlandese? Greenlandian? or Canadian territorial waters.

Or it's a way for a shithead to be a shithead. We are talking about the same guy who "made" Mexico pay for that wall.

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

I agree on all your points there.

But you have to understand the mindset of the super-elites that are pulling the strings. Borders are an inconvenience to them and their business. They don't want to deal with conversion rate, they don't want to print extra information on labels to respect the law of one specific country, they don't want to manage a PR campaign with locals. All of that is a drain on resources and a stopgap to their growth and consumption.

The US government is openly corrupt and captured, at this point, it's on the verge of being a free-for-all for the super-elite that want their way. If Canada is brought under that corrupt umbrella, they cut a lot of the "inconvenience" for their infinite growth.

[–] hal9000@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

Defence from who? The Russians? They're already inside the White House hahaha!

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

Oh I know that they have these very rational reasons and wasn't trying to rationalize it away. I just wanted to point out that cheeto isn't going to back down because he's also a crazed fucker who doesn't give a fuck