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Legislators in California are introducing bills that would make that illegal.
It's already not legal for ICE to hide their face and ID.
Laws are for poors, queers and browns, not for the red white and blue blooded American patriots
Source?
Not OP and certainly IANAL but as far as I know there is NO law that forbids the use of masks for ICE agents. However, hiding their ID or refusing to identify themselves during detention or arrests IS illegal. However, the law states they have to show ID/identify themselves “as soon as practical and safe to do so," so they could theoretically just say they thought they'd be in danger by showing ID as flimsy of an excuse as that sounds.
However, it is rather hilarious that they are pretty much all wearing masks while the political party parading them around is currently on a very real rampage to stop pretty much anyone in public from wearing masks for any type of public demonstration or event.
Unfortunately that won't do anything. Democrats are not prepared to actually use the power they have as state officials to resist illegal federal actions. So you outlaw law enforcement from wearing masks. They keep doing it anyway. Then what?
I see zero indication that Democrats have any intention of using force to stop ICE from violating the law. These ICE agents are already flagrantly violating the law. This arrest is flagrantly illegal. Yet are they using any of their states' out of control police budgets to provide armed police protection to state lawmakers? No. They're just letting duly elected representatives be illegally arrested.
This is why the law you're talking about is purely performative. It's meant to generate headlines, but it won't actually move the needle.
States need to actually start using force against federal agents that are violating the law. Will this risk escalation and civil war? Yes. But if you're not willing to risk civil war to protect the most fundamental rights of the citizens of your state, then you have no right to be a leader in a democratic country. You're too much of a coward, and you're simply not willing to fight to defend your freedoms.
The rational position is to legislate. If you’re tired of all branches of government being intentionally broken by bad faith actors and just want to go full on civil war right now, there’s no need to specify party affiliation.
Legislation IS the force. If you’re talking about squads of deputies militarized out the wazoo, that’s a state or federal agency which varies. And is separate from legislation anyway.
We’re all super pissed off so I’m not saying don’t “have the Democrats use force”, whatever that means, I’m just saying it’s 100% appropriate to legislate these agencies.
I want the executive branch -- the California state executive branch -- to execute the laws of the state and protect its citizens from tyrannical thuggery.
Me too. Anyone know where the whole state’s rights thing landed?
If you're referring to California suing the Trump regime over their illegal commandeering of the California National Guard, the appeal of the lower court ruling in favor of California is still in process.
Is there a world in which we do both? Because I don’t think the courts are on our sides, but I don’t think that means we don’t try every avenue. I think it’s feeling like we are seeing the writing on the wall and they are going to continue to escalate. Where is line?
"Legislation IS the force."
BWAHAHA.
God. Where do you get this stuff? It's hilarious.
Uh, the Constitution.
The Constitution is nothing if people are not willing to protect and defend it.
We're not getting though this passively. We're not getting this done through courts alone.
Really soon we're going to have to make people, particularly those wearing badges and masks choose a side first, and go back to the courts to see who was right after.
I just hope it's done in an organized way, where those people DO have a choice. Just disobeying orders as a lone soldier or officer is not nearly as effective as being part of a group.
You are living in a dream world.