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[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Logic dictates it's a dumb thing to post, nazis likely use every site in existence, good luck never using a service that they also use.

Just because a shitty group of people use a product, doesn't necessarily mean the product itself is the problem, additionally in this case it's specifically being used for a good purpose.

Imagine if you will, a product the can cure horses of parasitic worms, but idiots use it to try and cure themselves of a disease we have an actual cure for, and someone comes along and says hey I used this stuff to cure my horse and this guy comes in and says, "Well actually, people used that product improperly so actually it's bad."

People boo them, and you say, "man all these people sure love taking this product improperly"

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope your 'logic' also dictates a difference between using a product and (condoning) publishing/monetizing pro-nazi content. Hopefully most can see how one is a potential issue at the least. I know we all gotta eat tho--and to that end I don't wish to throw shade unnecessarily.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Mien Kampf was written on paper, we shouldn't use paper.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes great point getting to the core of my post by using false analogies, red herrings and appeals to ridicule

Your logic dictates strange paths to truth friend.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm specifically pointing out that's the logic being applied by the original response, which I made more clear with my example

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I understand what you think you're pointing out (I was also hoping you were familiar with the fallacies I listed so you could maybe refine your position).

I still believe platforms like Substack have a responsibility to try to avoid enabling harmful (such as nazi) ideologies. Do you think you could spell out a logic for why I shouldn't hold this belief? Preferably without unrelated analogies that distract from a simple coherent argument if possible

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

See if you weren't being an antagonistic ass the whole time I'd put forth the time and effort to give a response, but you just want to be a dick every other sentence so why bother?

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That's a lot of effort to say no, isn't it? lol Feel free to point out where specifically I was 'being an antagonistic ass' so that I may better myself and others.

I completely respect you if you find that inconvenience not worth bothering with either. I wish only peace for you and your loved ones chief!

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

The thing is, I like having conversations with people in good faith, I've learned a lot that way, however to your question.

I understand what you think you're pointing out

Do you think you could spell out a logic for why I shouldn't hold this belief?

Preferably without unrelated analogies that distract from a simple coherent argument if possible

These three statements are clearly antagonistic and not seemingly in any form of good faith discussion so, I could reasonably expect similar fun with any further discussion.

I didn't say you should believe anything, I merely pointed out that the initial statement doesnt add to the conversation and people of course downvoted it. And then explained why the response of "anyone who would downvoted this is just a nazi" is a dumb thing to say lol.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm sorry you feel this way. I thought logic was at the core of what was being conversed so I didn't bother much with appeasing to emotional sensitivities--especially when you opened with 'logic dictates' then proceeded to make one of the most blatantly fallacious pseudo-arguments I've ever come across.

Then again you're also doing a lot of bothering to not be bothered with my simple (yet antagonistic) questions as well, so perhaps there's something to be said about such a state of consistent inner-conflict. I'm obsessed with how people ignore their own faults you could say. Thank you for the help comrade

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Omg are you trapped in 2015? Starting a reply with "logic dictates" is so gamergate coded. Learn some basic philosophy before saying stuff like that because it demonstrates you have no idea what objectivity or subjectivity are.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes great point getting to the core of my post by saying it's gamer gate coded and ignoring the logic in my metaphor.

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You like the word logic a bit much for someone who doesn't know what it means. You a podcast listener?

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Just take the L and move on, it's not that big of a deal

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

You're devaluing the power of the word by misapplying it to anyone who you feel has slighted you.

The funny thing is, I took a gander at your post history, and we agree on a lot, but this one thing to you makes me a nazi apologist.

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You support platforming Nazis therefore you are a Nazi apologist.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

To be clear, my point is that your pointless comment on a post about election fraud was posted on SUBSTACK. Out of this, the most important thing to you is the platform the information is provided from, because the platform has nazis on it. Which again, is an unfortunate reality in the world we live in, I'd equally love to have a place where people aren't driven to insane extremist beliefs and infect other people with their hate and vitriol, but that's not the world we live in. So maybe you should use your energy on something more productive?