Bluesky

God if only it were that easy. People aren't joking when they say trump could shit on a republican's face and they'd still blame Biden/Obama/Minorities

In all seriousness, they are cult. They did not logic themselves into their views, so showing proof does nothing. You pushing back (in ANY way) simply make you one of the "others" they are warned about. Doesn't matter if you were previously considered family, friend, or stranger. Like literally nothing will get through to the peoples who are still stanning DJT until they themselves get hurt to such a high degree AND have no one else to blame (because if there is anyone else they even think they can blame instead, they absolutely will).

They are conditioned to excuse his behavior at turn even when it makes zero sense and completely verifiable. They do not believe what they can see with their own eyes. Fox and now the mainstream media puts out a ton of propaganda which also contributes. Finally, they truly don't know how to do scientific research because they don't respect science (see vaccine deniers, handling of COVID, bird flu, Measels, etc.).

You haven't talked to many USians. I don't blame you.

PS: those who travel are a minority of a minority and tend to be the most well rounded

I appreciate the thought and desire to improve things and a rational response. Unfortumately, we're not dealing with rational individuals. They will not accept any views contrary to their own no matter how much factual, verifiable evidence you put in front of them.

They will excuse any behavior someone on their side exhibits and will deflect to immidiately talk about something dems did. If they provide a valid example, and you say, "Yes, and that person should also be investigated and punished," they still won't admit that their guy did anything wrong.

This is a cult and we aren't just saying that. So you can't just talk them out of it. While some of their views may be valid, they often seek extreme measures to enact their views. Even their good ideas are soiled.

I'm totally willing to sit down and have a conversation with a conservative, but I draw the line at blind idolatry.

You clearly are not from the US if you think MAGA fuckheads are reasonable.

Come on over and give it a try genius.

Not from USA

See that's where you should've stopped. You deal with your problems, we'll deal with ours. Those of us like yours truly who have been talking to conservatives in MAGA country for years don't really need your input.

This is the kind of american that is pro trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9If_IEAMitQ