My sister (F 22) voted for Trump over taxes, Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants. She is 1st gen, born of 2 immigrants who also voted for Trump. Every time I present new evidence of how bad Trump is, she pulls ChatGPT and "debunks my lies" with nicely crafted confirmation bias prompts. If you all know how to get through to GenZers, I am listening.
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Any 22 year old who’s upset about taxes is very very clearly being manipulated
Everyone should be upset how this country has lies to its citizens for decades on the premise of it can't "afford" free healthcare and education. It is not a generational problem, but a societal one.
Yet half this country joyfully would wallow in their own shit if it means their neighbor suffers just the same as they are.
Considering the lack of value we're getting in return for these taxes, nah I'm pretty sure everybody should be upset about taxes. Other, better countries may pay more in taxes, but after accounting for the healthcare and worker rights that the taxes get them, they end up with more time and more money than most Americans.
I met a local politician who, in my red area, just seemed like he was dancing around labeling himself a Democrat. The office was for basically money management in the area, and he was talking about optimizing the use of tax funds. I made it clear that I don't really mind paying this tax rate, and I would even pay more, but only if it starts getting used on shit that matters like building another school because ours are getting overcrowded, and the area is growing whether we prepare or not. I said that even if I only cared about my own finances, that's an investment that supports growth which would raise my property value, and it would attract new businesses to serve that growing population. Just plan for it so that it doesn't grow out of control and become a shit hole with stupid intersection infrastructure and urban sprawl.
We need to stop electing Republicans - the people who siphon away and steal our tax dollars
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Ask her to read the links from her ChatGPT queries with you. Do it together. Show her how ChatGPT is confidently and convincingly lying to her. And each time she comes back with another result from a biased prompt, do it again. Eventually she'll at least stop trying to convince you that ChatGPT knows all, out of embarrassment.
have the AI cite it sources for the claims it makes, and read through those sources. ask the AI what information it used in the source to come up with its statement.
using chatGPT in this way is like how I used Wikipedia growing up: just pull up an article on something, check out what citations an article had, and walk it backwards from there
When searching something online, I already many times came across AI written articles being quite high. So now it's possible LLM will just cite another LLM which got its content from an LLM written response on Reddit.
Does the paid chat gpt actually cite?
The free one (which most people are using), when asked how much an aircraft carrier costs just links to the main page of CNBC and the department of defense.
I further prompted and it gave me 404s
It does a mix of hallucination and self-correction once you tell it to search the web to actually find out current information. And even then, you don't have a good chance of having truly accurate information. It really does take work.
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my dude, you have a sister who is going to chatgpt for facts, Id feel that she's in a lot more trouble than being a trump supporter.
What does she actually know about?
Doesn't matter what it is, literally any topic that she knows about, even if it's the Kardashians.
One day ask her a question about it, then ask whatever chatbot she trusts, if they're not the same, tell her she's wrong and if she doesn't believe you to ask her AI.
A big reason people think AI is smart, is they never ask it about something they know.
That sounds basic, but it means they never notice when any of their questions get a wrong answer.
Getting them to ask it about topics they know about, means they get to see how it can fail, and how a small initial error it makes can be extrapolated to the point everything else is bullshit.
Once they learn it's not always right, they're less likely to blindly trust it. That leads to them double checking some things, seeing it's bullshitting more, and then double checking it more.
You need to replace the AI feedback loop with the rage loop. It ain't hard to get a conservative there, get them to the point they're asking chatbots questions they already know the answer too, just to see it get it wrong.
Ethics aside, if we don't manipulate the idiots, someone else is going to do it.
Best one I've found recently was the top article on DDG search for "peacock mantis shrimp cleanup crew".
The Peacock Mantis Shrimp is a valued clean‑up‑crew addition sold in‑store here in Columbus, Ohio. It acts as a scavenger and algae picker, keeps substrate clean, helping reduce maintenance and improve water quality. Stock 1–2 per 5 gal in a balanced reef or fish‑only system for best results. Difficulty: Easy. Offer varied empty shells. Drip‑acclimate and maintain stable salinity for long‑term health.
There are so many problems with this but I'll start with the one that made me search for a cleanup crew for a mantis shrimp:
- they are aggressive and deadly to just about anything other than some damselfish
- minimun tank size is 20 gallons, putting one in a 5 gallon would be terrible for everyone and stoclong 1-2 per 5 gallons would be a bloodbath
- they are not scavengers or detrivores and do not eat algae
- they do not clean the substrate other than to kick it all over the place when making a burrow
born of 2 immigrants who also voted for Trump
Ho boy, I wonder how they're feeling now with ICE running wild.
No problem. According to their bubble, that only happens to the bad people that didn't follow the rules. Every single one deserved it in their view.
I've spoken to Trump supporters who are themselves illegal immigrants (overstayed visa). They don't see the problem.
From another who has 1st gen relatives who literally entered illegally and who also voted Trump, the following are some reasons in no particular order. They fully believed he would only deport "the bad ones." They STILL voted for him despite one part of the family who is still not fully citizens.
They still don't believe non-criminals are being kidnapped, they still think he's a good businessman, and still think he's a great president.
The propaganda power of "reality" television is quite strong, apparently.
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You can't help morons unfortunately.
My father is Gen 1 of immigrant parents. His parents HATED Trump. Yet he voted for Trump all three times.
I have a GenZ sister-in-law that uses ChatGPT for relationship advice. Like copies and pastes responses from men into ChatGPT and asks what they're "really saying" or "what their intentions are", instead of you know, JUST ASKING THE PERSON OUTRIGHT.
We're fucked
Have you considered debunking her with nicely crafted confirmation bias prompts. It could also show her that chatGPT can be wrong?
2020: you have your facts and I have my facts
2025: you have your prompts and I have my prompts
tell your sister that she's a fucking dumbass for thinking a chatbot is a source, tell her that all a chatbot does is aggregate data on the internet, and that if she doesn't smarten the fuck up then she's going to be a failed unhappy outcast in life that is hated by successful people and shunned by her family
You have two choices:
Put her down or call ICE.
The former is more humane, but the latter would be a lot funnier.
But seriously, I would just disconnect, or at most, I would ask her to have the chatbot provides sources and then ask her to pull them up.
If her learning that it's making up sources doesn't get through to her, I wouldn't try anymore. Just accept that she's either going to have to come through it on her own, or she'll just progressively get worse and worse, and you'll have to decide if you want to stick around for that, I wouldn't.
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I'd love to pretend I have a tried and true method, but statistically I've hit more walls than bridges. The thing that works more often than others is finding something they care about that's easily falsifiable and honing in on that. Do that a few times in a row and hopefully they see that they don't actually know what they're talking about because their politicians don't want them to. One of the easiest for me has been to really explain the gun show loophole. Guns seem to be pretty important to people I interact with, even if they don't own any. They really have no idea what gun laws are. One of the other more recent things is Hegseths changes and the Trump ballroom. Depending on how tech bro they are and how willing or able you are to keep them on topic, DOGE isn't too bad, but it can get off track fast. If she's spiteful, the new Trump accounts might be worth bringing up. It's really not a bad idea, but that's HER taxes going to a bunch of babies.
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It's still crazy how many people want to write them off as lost causes already.
Those little idiots are going to be voting for decades, it's insane to stop trying to bring them around.
I genuinely can't fathom how folks mad at gen Z voters don't understand that their anger toward gen Z voters was equally manufactured as those gen Z voters support for Trump was.
How fucking stupid.
Meh.
I 100% get being mad at really any random voting demographic.
Like, pick a group. I got a bone to pick with them.
My issue is people who fall for the oligarchs propaganda that want us to fight along their carefully manufactured battle lines instead uniting against the oligarchs like we need to.
It's why I'm such a broken record about wealth inequality. It's the one thing that resonates with over 99% of Americans, it's the obvious choice to use to unite the people against the oligarchs, and why they constantly have to manufacture other shit.
We solve that, and no one's pushing all the other shit as distractions, so it solves most of our issues at once.
4 years under a progressive with support of the House and Senate and we wouldn't even recognize America, and I mean that in a good way.
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Gen Z want a radical. Far left or far right doesn't seem to matter. I can't blame them for that. Most of them will still say they supported Bernie - at least the podcasters they worship do. There is room for them on the left. Dems have to start by leaving the centrist DNC bullshit behind.
they don't want radical. they want jobs and a stabilized cost of living. they want to feel like they have a future.
trump focused on economic issues, and got their votes. if the next democrats can push forward economic reforms that improve the economy... they will get the votes. Kamala absolutely refused to run on any agenda of economic reform and endorse Biden's inflation economy.
This was always true. I want someone who works for the working man and woman. I don't care if we become socialist, stay in capitalism, what the fuck ever other choice: we as people need to feel taken care of. Any system that ignores its people is doomed.
Just as important is explaining to people why some choices need to be made that we may not agree with. Raising the gas tax? I'm ok with it, because I already know it's how we pay for our roads. But what about my less aware neighbor? If they simply see the rate jump, and don't know why, it leaves the door wide open for a conspiracy schmuck to step in with a ragebait explanation.
Yeah, but you're being reasonable. Most human beings aren't reasonable. They are not thoughtful or pragmatic. Only a small percentage of people are well-mannered and educated enough to even understand the basics of macroeconomics and public policy that often drives it.
They are driven by raw emotion that is often entirely disproportionate to the thing it's responding to. Like your example of someone flying into a rage over a minor tax increase. And now in 2025+, these people think they are all geniuses due to a steady diet of social media that constantly reinforces their ignorant and rage. And they block and assault anyone who dares try to dispute their rage and ignorance.
I was in thread about credit ratings yesterday and all the smart factually accurate commentary was down-voted, and all the ragebaiting ignorance conspiracy nonsense was heavily upvoted.
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Fair days wage for a fair days work IS radical in a world where 8 people hold 50% of the world's wealth
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I think most people want a radical.
The current system isn't working for the majority of normal people.
They'll vote for change every time, and never get it.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
It's just the nature of the population who will flock towards an authoritarian, they're not making rational, thought-out choices, they're JUST following a narrative of feelings. It could flip 180-degrees the next day and they will go with that new storyline if it validates their anger or frustration or just the need to follow a soap-opera of pundits and angry shouting people on TV.
They can prove it by voting like it.
Lol until they find the next bandwagon to hop on that happens to hurt and kill other people.
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I still say 'Fuck you' to them because they got us into this mess. Voting has its consequences and we're suffering for it, because of their indecisive, easily manipulative and delusional minds.
There's just no excuse to 'not being politically aware' when you always will have ample time to research about the candidates. You can't just fucking go into the voting booths and just fill in the boxes of the candidates based on your party alignment then come out after voting being all like "I wasn't politically aware" when they see the damage being done. But that's what they did, that's what majority of those 70+ million idiots did.
This isn't like voting for some prom queen or prom king shit, welcome to the real world, morons. You fucked us over.
Ah yes, the Hillary Clinton strategy...
You're aware these people will be voting for another ~50 years right?
They're idiot kids who were taken advantage of, and you want to drive them to the right, by acting like someone on the right?
If you want to help, maybe you should become a Republican and chase people away from that party?
If you don't want the R by your name to help the left, I don't understand why you're literally and significantly helping the right in that very comment
Do you just not under the ramifications of advocating for chasing teenagers away from the Dem party for life because of one vote?
I mean, we just got Hillary, Biden, and Kamala shoved down our throats. Lots of people who didn't vote for any of those three can still be dependable lifelong Dem voters moving forward
We just have to stop shoving uncharismatic conservatives down their throats because "it's the only other option".
Finally someone smart.
Not only did they not research anyone before going into the voting booth, they weren’t involved in any step of the process. If they’re so mad about stuff why aren’t they doing the groundwork or even participating in primaries?
The last real Democratic Party primary was in 2020.
Most of the people we are talking about were literally too young to participate in a meaningful primary.
They had no opportunity to be involved in the process, and now they are being blamed for not participating. That's the modern Democratic Party in a nutshell.
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