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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 177 points 2 days ago
[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 134 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (4 children)

born in 1949 Don't have to fight in a war

Hmmm

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Putting it in context, it's probably right. There are a lot of different swathes/classes of boomer, and the ones that would be able to do the listed in lines 7-10 are probably not the ones that were targeted for conscription in vietnam.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 125 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Dog whistling bullshit. "Obongo", "waahh socialised medicine is the reason i'm trapped in a poverty spiral" get faaarked

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

To be fair, the requirement to provide health insurance and other benefits for full-time workers is definitely one of the leading causes of the reduction in full-time jobs. If lawmakers were really putting the peoples' interests first, they would have just said that for a part-time job the employer would have to provide benefits based on the fraction of 40 hours the employee worked (e.g. 20 hours is half-benefits).

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Look I'll be honest with you. As someone outside the US the idea that your workplace is responsible for your private insurance / healthcare is bug fuck insane and open to exploitation on a mind boggling scale.

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not just open to exploitation; openly exploited. Disruption to coverage and questions about what could be covered differently are significant factors that cause people to choose not to take a job elsewhere.

The trick is that health insurance can be bought directly, but it's just so insanely expensive to do it that way so nobody does. Companies get a huge discount to buy bulk enterprise packages, and then their employees pay for a lot of it themselves. The portion that the company pays for is just an expense of labor, the same as salary, and offering better than the company across the street is an incentive to get better hires.

The ACA basically was just "hey, you know that discount that companies are getting? Now do it for the state and we'll offer it to everybody. And insurance companies will like it because people are given incentive to buy this because we're gonna fine people for not being insured." Pretty shitty deal, but at least people had the freedom to jobhop or become unemployed and keep their doctors.

It's cheaper and easier to buy a gun than to get an abortion in this shithole country.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

If lawmakers were really putting the peoples' interests first, they'd pass socialized medicine

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[–] DamnianWayne@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's 4Chan, "Obongo" is one of the more polite names they could say.

Obamacare is corporate medicine, designed to give more money to the health insurance industry. Anyone in support of socialized medicine should not be a fan of it just because it's marginally better than before.

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[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Obamacare isn't perfect and made some things more expensive for some people. Yes it helped others and overall I think it's beneficial, but covering your ears and pretending that anon is blaming socialized medicine entirely is just inaccurate.

Criticism, when factual, is good.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Schedules one hour under benefits have been a feature for a lot longer than Obamacare.

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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 94 points 2 days ago (9 children)

What does Obamacare have to do with working 25hrs a week max?

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 196 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Obamacare mandates employers offer healthcare to people working 30 hrs a week. A lot of places will only allow you to be scheduled for less than 30 hours a week, even if you are able and willing to go full time. It's stupid, but some people have convinced themselves that it's Obamacare's fault that their employer is shitty and the subsequent governments have been unwilling to close that loophole. It's also worth mentioning that employers did this even before Obamacare because there are other things that full time employees are entitled to that part time employees aren't.

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 92 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Thanks. So OOP just has a shitty boss. Got it.

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OP also has a shitty mind set because he sides with the oppressor (his boss is the one denying him healthcare) and not the oppressed (everyone that can't afford healthcare).

If he understood the situation he would not call it "Obongocare"

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

“Obongocare” also reeks of racism, but that’s a given- it is 4chan after all.

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[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Obamacare didn’t start that…

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Employers definitely used it as an excuse to cut a lot of people's hours. It was a big deal at the time

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[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Also called it Obongocare which made me immediately lose any empathy to them for the racism, but it is 4chan I guess.

99% likely they vote Republican based on the attitide also, which is the root cause of a lot of their complaints (min wage, shitty employee protections, expensive Internet [almost certainly one of the monopoly ISP areas], has to rely on a car because public transit is socialism).

Yeah, the Democratic party sucks by and large for many other reasons, but id rather live in a D city than an R one any day of the week. /end obligatory response to "but Dems"

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I hate to break it to you 4chan dwelling normie fucking stupid shit head, but that 25 hrs a week is not because of the Affordable Care Act. It's because of greedy capitalist fucks who are squeezing you for every cent they give you to maximize profit margins well beyond what they need to for a healthy business model.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 34 points 2 days ago

It's because of greedy capitalist fucks who are squeezing you

A healthcare system that makes everyone dependent on employers really makes it easy for them.

Medicare For All is about a lot more than just healthcare.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Yeah that stuck out at me too. I love how the conservative media has thoroughly convinced the average dimwitted moron from flyover states that all of their problems are because of Obamacare and not because of the greed of their employer and the laws that they have enticed Congress to enact in their favor to prevent them from having to employ people full time.

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[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 54 points 2 days ago (6 children)

And this is why some people are voluntarily living in their cars, you can't save for shit when rent eats 2/3 of your paycheck

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[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 46 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The American experiment has succeeded, because the suffering is the point and the system is working as intended.

[–] Insekticus@aussie.zone 16 points 2 days ago

Exactly. The wealthy are living beyond reality now and have adapted the population to working for pittance, living in squalor, and are above the law.

America is the nicest 3rd world country anywhere in the world! America #1

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[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I just ran the numbers through a tax calculator for my province (Quebec). It says that on a salary of $18,000, I would pay about $1,200 for the pension plan and employment insurance. $0 paid for taxes, and I would actually receive a $4,000 as a tax refund.

And, of course Healthcare is free, Quebec has pharmacare so prescription drugs would be free, childcare is about $10/day if I need it, and since my salary is less than $90,000/year, I would qualify for free dental care.

There would also be a few things like the GST refund that would be about $500/year in my pocket.

Canada is not paradise, but I sure prefer living here.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"American experiment" I hate that phrase.

America is just an arbitrary area on the ground some of us were born inside. It's not some erudite experiment and it never was. It's five corporations in a trench coat pretending to be a country.

[–] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is what people mean by that:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure."

In its conception is very much was an experiment. "A republic, if you can keep it" so to say.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 30 points 2 days ago (39 children)

$115 a month phone/internet? Are US prices really that insane? My phone is £4 a month for unlimited calls/SMS and got an unlimited data SIM for a 4G router that costs £24/month.

[–] twack@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Yes, in fact that's on the cheap side for unlimited with decent speeds for both services.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If he wasnt stuck working 25 hours a week and was able to do 40hr a week he'd be living pretty well.

Why is obamacare limiting him to 25 hours?

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Their employer is a scumbag. Instead of being mad the actual problem, they choose to believe their exploitative employer, who throws their hands up and claims "it's not MY fault you aren't paid enough!"

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[–] lohky@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Part-time employees don't get benefits, so they limit you to just under what is considered full-time employment because they hate you.

Isn't being poor cool?

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I was born into one of those nowhere low wage "right to work" shitholes and I have some advice for people in them.

Leave. GTFO. Get a passport or move to a state with a high minimum wage. Your family doesn't matter. Your education options don't matter. You will be better off somewhere else, I guarantee it.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OOP can live alone and pay bills on part time minimum wage is insane

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How is Obamacare limiting your hours? Are you a truck driver?

[–] stray@pawb.social 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I can't recall the details because it's been too long since I worked in the States, but it was something like if you work more than 30 hours per week the employer has to pay certain benefits. It's cheaper for them to hire two 20hr workers than one 40hr worker, and then the two employees aren't seeing any of the benefits they're supposed to be getting. I assume that loophole is by oligarchical design.

When I worked in California I had to turn down raises/promotions because they would have knocked me past the cutoff for socialized healthcare, and the increased cost of mandated private health insurance would have been a massive pay cut.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

That shit was true long before Obamacare.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 15 points 2 days ago

Before Obamacare companies had the option to not provide healthcare at all, and more often their cutoffs when they did was 39 hours. ACA moving that to 30 was an attempt to get around employers hiring two people for part-time rather than 1 full-timer. And then they also made the norm of providing health insurance into a standard requirement.

Well-intentioned, reasonable compromise, modest reform-type stuff, but with raging Republican opposition to anything ever getting better and the inevitable min-maxing of loopholes, it only got us so far. And mail multiple key provisions has been repealed by the Republicans so...

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It happened to me a decade ago before I switched careers. I did substitute teaching and once I hit 29 hours for the week they’d send me home so I wouldn’t qualify for healthcare. I was regularly told I was one of the good subs, and I loved working with the staff and kids.

I tore my rotator cuff one summer and just had to grin and bear it for a year because I had no coverage and was worried about the bills. Thanks Uncle Sam!

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Don't blame the ACA, those companies always had people working part time and just lowered the hours further.

[–] JuliaSuraez@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The killer is volatility—irregular hours + fixed bills = constant crisis mode.

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Those companies would be screwing you regardless, you can't get a company to do anything but acquire profit without government to restrain them, otherwise they run the show and would own you as a slave. Only government limits their power, which would be absolute otherwise.

Unfortunately, our government is now under the control of corporations and has been for some time (since at least "money is free speech" and "corporations are people" court victories), defeating it's purpose. We used to break up monopolies and remove business licenses for unlawful practices! The good old days.

Hmmm, if corporations are people, and they make and employ AI, that means AI is people or something. So that's kinda neat.

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