That's not far left IMO, that's just left. This is a recurring problem we have in France too, where medias call "far left" parties that are just left. This is a slippery slope, the one on which Overton window slips towards the (far) right...
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Far left is: "We're going to destroy the very concept of private ownership and wealth accumulation"
"... to meet everyone's basic needs"
"..."
"To meet everyone's basic needs, right?"
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The way I see it, between left and far left the direction is roughly the same, that's the means and end point that differ (i.e. revolution or not and how far we go into sharing resources). This is an important difference and they should thus not be mixed.
Also needs to be a clear distinction between democratic left and authoritarian left.
In a naive attempt to "meet everyone’s basic needs" sure, but in practice it would almost certainly end up enriching and entrenching a new ruling class, or collapsing under external pressure even if there are some early wins.
Many things sound simple from the outset. But tearing down and rebuilding an entire society isn’t something you do without significant (and often lethal) force and with plenty of intended and unintended casualties along the way (and there’s still a very good chance we'd screw it up).
If it's not "the good guys" wielding overwhelming force, it’ll be "the bad guys" stepping in. Every political system ultimately rests on the realistic threat/application of force; the only question is who controls it and how accountable they are.
I'm not inclined to trust anyone waving guns in my face, nor encourage situations that make that more likely. So, things would have to get a lot worse for me (and I'd venture most people) to want violent overthrow of my current (far from perfect) political and social system. That said ... at some point, for many people in many countries, it may be too late. Apathy isn't appropriate either.
You guys are talking about basic capitalism, right? You all understand that, don't you?
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You vote left because you want the best for the general good of society, you vote right because you want what's best for yourself, in particular.
The sad thing is, that's not even true.
Most poor world be better off under left wing ideals, yet they vote right wing anyway because they're scared that brown people will steal their crumbs.
(But actually that guy in the middle doesn't just have this plate full of cookies. He owns a huge vessel full of cookies)
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Plenty of people also vote right based on hate and fear. They'll vote against there own best interests because of hate and fear.
They vote right because cable news told them it's best for themselves. It's not.
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It's because we lefties say completely justified mean things about so-called 'centrists', and criticizing the literal record of centrism is tantamount to insulting a centrist's identity.
The centrists made up the term so they wouldn't have to face the fact that they're conservatives.
That's right, the centrists are conservatives and the so-called "conservatives" are really regressives at best, plenty of them fascists.
We don't just call everyone we don't like fascists. But uh, them folks are fascists.
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They’re just people who are too weak and dumb to have real opinions and they just want to be in the in crowd
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A Tweet by "Vivian" @suchnerve:
far left: we're gonna get everyone's basic needs met
far right: we're gonna exterminate entire social groups because they're impure
centrists: i literally cannot tell you two apart
Can we be better than twitter with these bullshit fallacy arguments.
Your “far-left” is the centric, your “centric” are fascist accepting far-right, and your “far-right” is right extreme fascists…
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Even the left normalized the false narrative of “far left”. America does not have any “far left” party
Fishhook theory > horseshoe theory
I mean to be fair... groups that consider themselves far left also exterminate groups.
The trick is to not go too far. You wanna end up at Scandinavian liberal socialism, but not overshoot it to let's create a famine for kicks and kill all people wearing glasses.
consider themselves
Is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that statement.
I think it's necissary when talking about "left governments" to have that caveat. I wouldn't personally consider the Khmer Rouge, USSR, or CCP, left wing but they did.
They are just different shades of authoritarianism.
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I mean to be fair... groups that consider themselves far left also exterminate groups
[Citation needed]
The trick is to not go too far
Yeah, you wouldn't want society to become TOO egalitarian and fair! 🙄
You wanna end up at Scandinavian liberal socialism
Speaking as an actual Scandinavian leftie: nope. Not good enough.
Social Democratic Liberalism (which is what it actually is. Socialism is a very different thing) is still capitalist and thus exploitative at its core.
It's better than most, but it's far from the utopian ideal that people from the American Left tend to think it is.
but not overshoot it to let's create a famine for kicks and kill all people wearing glasses
You're thinking along the wrong axis there. There's a HUGE difference between ultra authoritarian leftism like that of the USSR and Pol Pot's Cambodia, and libertarian (original meaning, not bastardized American definition) leftism.
I'd argue that there is no such thing as authoritarian left, that the political compass makes more sense as a triangle, or perhaps that an authoritarian left would just be some unachievable meritocracy. All those Commie Bastards were just fucking Red Fascists.
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So anything thats acturally left wing is bad? Because left wing means genuene real socialism, as in not capitalism socialism. As in the type of socialism that doesn't require oppressing the global south (which shouldn't even be a question).
LIBERALISM = REACTIONARY
SOCIALISM = REVOLUTIONARY
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far ming: we're gonna need a couple cows
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