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I'm one of those hipsters who doesn't use streaming services.

I did, a while ago, but I quit using them because the experience is kind of awful, and I'm happier now for it. I collect physical media and watch it using Jellyfin on my Linux-based home theater PC, and I'm completely satisfied with how it works.

I'm making this video because I am really troubled by algorithmic helplessness, and I feel like corporate-centralized streaming media makes that worse. Maybe this video will encourage someone else to cut the cord and rediscover an appreciation for owning your media and being choosy about what to "watch next". Or maybe I'm just wasting time. Who knows? I suppose, you know, you're reading this description, right?

If you read the description, say "algorithmic helplessness sucks" in the comments. That'll make me feel better.

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[–] paper_moon@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The thing I hated about Netflix was the stress of knowing i was being watched with my viewing habits and that affected how they decided to cancel or continue shows.

Imagine being a customer at a restaurant and the chef is in the back watching you eat, saying things like:

"well, if he doesn't eat the whole thing in less than 10 minutes that means he probably hated it and won't continue to buy more burgers, so we should just remove it from the menu now and never serve that burger again."

Who the fuck wants to 'relax' and watch stuff when i know if I start watching something and stop after episode 1 because I liked it, realize my partner might also like it, and I wait 3 months to watch it together (not within their 30 day or whatever window), knowing that might contribute to Netflix canceling a show that I fucking liked in the first place!

SO RELAXING GUYS!

So no, I don't stream stuff anymore. I'm sick of paying for content that constantly gets canceled, and also experiencing stress while doing so.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I mean... that IS how restaurants work. If people don't order the fish of the day then they buy fewer and fewer fishes until it is no longer a thing. Even the speed people eat DOES matter since restaraunts tend to be designed around each customer spending a certain amount of time dining. Too short and they will never order a dessert. Too long and they are costing you money while they nurse that coffee.

And similar happens with even buying blu-rays. If nobody bought Master and Commander in 4k then you can be sure that experiment would be over. Instead? That thing sold like toiler paper during COVID and we'll likely see more "prestige" releases with a huge dose of FOMO.

As for up fronts versus long tails? Guess what is motivating all those revivals "nobody asked for"?

Don't get me wrong. I vastly prefer to rip blu rays to my NAS and watch via plex. But the idea that you are somehow no longer part of the marketing cycle is just... wrong.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The only way to stop corporate greed is to stop consuming. Easy to say, hard to do, but not impossible. I've lived most of my life striving to be as self sufficient as humanly possible, and that has carried me over into self hosting.

[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Go hiking, exercise, play sports with your mates. Take up a physical hobby like blacksmithing, electronics even woodworking. Spend the weekends on small projects, DIY drones, a wooden sculpture, a small knife made from recycled corrugated steel. Join a volunteer group, do charity work, help out in the soup kitchen. Nowadays it's easier than ever to not consume content.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, but revolution is a far simpler way to stop corporate greed than trying to change everyone’s buying habits.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] paper_moon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm commenting on literally being watched though, so let's say you get up to go to the bathroom after your first bite the chef marks that as 'didn't like his burger' because you took a bite (watched 1 episode) and didn't continue to binge eat the burger (binge the whole season by the end of the month), BAM because you had a life event you couldn't control, you now hate the burger and hate the show.

This is not a fun way to consume anything.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean... depending on how new an item is and what "tier" the restaurant is? They are 100% watching for stuff like that and probably making a note that you got up after eating only a quarter of your burger. Because if the burger were good, you would want to finish it. Is it too sloppy? Did you feel the need to wash your hands mid bite? Did it make you nauseous?

Same with taking out your phone. Does it look like you are telling a friend what a great burger you had? Or are you feeling bloated and trying to digest a bit before you eat more?

This level of market analysis is not at all new. Streaming services just have a much easier time automating it but... give it time until startups are selling cameras to monitor the dining area and automate analytics based on who ordered what and did what.

[–] paper_moon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I guess I should put more mindfulness into how I'm consuming restaurant food then, lol either way I think we can put this hypothetical to bed.

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[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Side note, the restaurant analogy is exactly why I hate the seemingly American style of service where the waiter asks how the food is halfway through.

I guess that's a good analogy for how creepy surveillance capitalism is, it's like a waiter judging and recording your every move and reaction throughout the entire meal.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

American style of service where the waiter asks how the food is halfway through

So that's what's going on! I was wondering why people are doing that everywhere I eat out all of a sudden. Bloody annoying. Me with a mouth full of food having to force out a "yhh shh rlly gwwd tnnk yww".

Gtfoutahurr

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

just one of the many negatives of tip culture

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[–] bluemoon@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

exactly this. i say PIR - Private Information Retrieval

offline everything, no middlehands

condition "the industry" as these are called to change the RND departement - live without dependency on fuckers

[–] illusionist@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's your take on scrobble services?

I don't like that one monopoly company gets all the data and abuses the system with it even further.

[–] paper_moon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I don't really use them, so I don't have much of an opinion, but I agree with your assessment.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This video was what convinced me to start up a Jellyfin server last month. It's fantastic. The peace of mind knowing that I have all my media stored locally, forever, is so satisfying.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, forever might be too strong of a word.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, how about "for as long as I maintain the hardware"?

[–] NullCypher@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Or you accidentally delete it and have no backups because "this would never happen to me" until it does.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I miss the days of people having their own bespoke collection of their favorite movies and shows. Everything is homogenized now. At least when I pirate, I'm still building my own personal media library. And I never have to worry about the show I like being removed later.

But I'm not gonna lie. The quality drop off in content caused by streaming services I think is a bigger issue

Netflix activity tries to make content that's not actually good enough to watch without browsing a phone. Second screen content, they call it. And I guarantee someone in a finance role realized they could make way more by doing just enough to keep people, rather than try to actively create amazing content, because it's soo much cheaper to not pay for good writers, or good set designers or actors when you could just find someone who's good enough. I think it's because the money people spend is recurring, linked to the service as a whole, and not linked to the individual work.. users have to vote by watching now, and some of the best stuff I've ever seen is also some of the least watched.

[–] turkalino@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Everything is homogenized now

I'm interested to know what you mean by this, because if anything, I've heard the older generations reminisce about ye olde monoculture when there was only a handful of good shows on a handful of television channels, and everyone would tune in weekly to watch and then talk about the next day around the water cooler. I feel like streaming has led to things being more fragmented, both because you need to be subscribed to the one service that carries the show and because there's so many more shows being made.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I feel like streaming has led to things being more fragmented, both because you need to be subscribed to the one service that carries the show and because there’s so many more shows being made.

I'm not who you were originally replying to, but I think two seemingly contradictory things can be true at once.

Yes, there is definitely more content nowadays, and less people watching the same things at the same time because of all of the variety of services and content and platforms, etc.

But that content tends to still be homogenous. The settings and costumes of the shows might be different, but most content cannot pass, for instance, the bechdel test.

For all of the emphasis on "eradicating woke" in the last few years, there really isn't a whole lot of actual diversity in most media. I could probably only name a single show that expresses, for instance, communist ideas, and I think it was cancelled in recent years alongside scores of lgbtq characters in shows.

Plotlines are typical, production values are stepped up but there's a large amount of, for instance, ideological consistency among all media produced nowadays.

If you're looking for a variety of typical genre shows, yes, you're spoiled for choice. But when you're looking for something that breaks the mold even slightly there are really only a handful of things from which to choose.

And that's leaving out how much derivative media exists. Vince Gilligan in recent interviews even lamented how he was one of only a few people that could get a new show with a new concept even started in the industry. Many shows are set in "universes" that are decades old. A lot of "new" movies are reboots or sequels of old movies.

There's a thread of choiceless variety that used to apply mainly to things like groceries that has now infected much of media as well. Whole political movements now push to eradicate the little diversity (ideological and character identity based) that exists.

All of this leaves out what happened to music btw, which is becoming so algorithm-driven that it's hard for those using streaming services to even tell if it was produced by a person.

I'll just leave this here as well:

https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-44/the-intellectual-situation/why-is-everything-so-ugly/

Edit: I realized after a while that the easiest way to summarize the homogeneity you see in modern media is that it is supply-side oriented. Shows, movies, and music are made (or not) primarily based upon how easily the corporate marketing apparatuses think they can shove it down the public's throat.

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[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I miss the days of people having their own bespoke collection of their favorite movies and shows

I don't miss the shelves to house all of it tho. Now, I have quite a collection of audio from my days of internet radio, that I ripped to flac a long time ago All of it sets on my shelf as a NAS.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'm all for this, but acquiring the media outside of streaming services in the first place is difficult, likely by design. There's no GOG for movies and TV; there's not even a Steam. My wife is basically permanently subscribed to Peacock because she loves Law and Order: SVU, to the point that she basically has the whole series on loop while she knits. I started looking this time last year into how to self-host all that, but I didn't even get to the point of finding out what Jellyfin is before I realized that it was impossible to legally acquire all the seasons on Blu Ray or even DVD. They want me to either subscribe to Peacock or buy a "digital copy", which is just rental streaming by another name. I'm not a skilled enough pirate to know that my ISP isn't going to mind my activity, and being a skilled pirate isn't even something I'm interested in being. Plus, my past experiences with piracy is that beggars can't be choosers, and the bit rate could be awful, or it would have huge watermarks from whatever Canadian channel the pirate recorded from, and that's not a great experience when it's supposed to be a gift anyway.

Unlike the video author, I'm not even bothered by algorithmic recommendations for media. I actually like it. The main reason I want to self host my media is because I don't watch so much of it that a subscription price makes sense very often. If my wife and I are just watching the same couple of things over and over again, why do I need a buffet of content I'm not going to watch at monthly subscription prices?

[–] bluemoon@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

yeah okay well your watchparties are increasingly going to get worse until you too hit your threshold: such is the business.

the rest of the world uses a VPN like MullvadVPN and qBittorrent to "digitally back up media we've already bought". without ads, in better quality, without telemetry, without serfdom-subscriptions. you may like AI offloading your decisionmaking, but keep doing it and you will be codependent on authority for choosing anything in life. what do you want in a cozy moment away from work? it frustrates me to read people are too anxioys to begin to do otherwise and accept the way things are. that's a rant in return

have a nice day, i won't make this into a chain of replies.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

My watch parties already basically dried up. The movie industry is crumbling in front of us for not being able to adapt to what their audience actually wants, and I end up just spending my time in other ways, because they're offering me poor value and too much friction (VPNs and torrents) to get what I want, and that's what my rant is. They'll adapt or die. Right now, it's looking like the movie industry will die. You're making a lot of assumptions there about offloading my decision making to AI though...

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You have to be really careful trying to buy physical copies nowadays, too, since bootlegs are absolutely everywhere. Especially on Ebay.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Oh, I forgot the other part of my rant when it comes to acquiring the content. Brick and mortar doesn't carry Blu Rays anymore. Maybe Walmart does, but I don't have one near me. Target and Best Buy stopped. I have a functional mall near me, but not one store in it sells movies, and when I asked, they looked at me like I had two heads.

[–] TurdBurgler@sh.itjust.works 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

This is why the seedbox SaaS market exists. Providing turn key hosted solutions, the only heavy lifting is the configuration which takes some reading to understand.

Check out the Servarr Wiki, Ombi, Syncthing as a starting point for media discovery and curration tooling.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Steam attempted to distribute movies between 2014 and 2019.
GOG gave up at the beginning of 2025.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, I'm aware. This is a problem that the movie and TV industry don't appear to be interested in solving. And they seemingly operate as a massive cartel, so one studio isn't about to break out on its own and innovate with a DRM free movie store.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

So bizarrely the best experience is to self host and pirate. That's what you get when the entire entertainment industry is hostile to consumers.

When Netflix first became big, it was popular because it was a one-stop shop for almost all your content. It was like a big library of content in one place, you pay a reasonable monthly fee and it's all there. Piracy dipped as a result.

Now all the content is fragmented into numerous walled gardens you have to pay separate fees to access. People can only consume the same amount but now they have to pay 4 or 5 fees as the content is spread out.

Unsurprisingly piracy is booming again.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love her.

Can't help it but think of a world with more ppl like her in it.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If you like her check out “Bread on Penguins” too. She was suggested to me because I watch Veronica and I really dig the way she does her videos too. She’s the complete opposite of the mainstream YouTubers and just a nice person who really enjoys Linux and making videos.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 5 points 1 day ago

yea both are utterly cool

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[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (7 children)

How would I find new music?

[–] whimsy@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago

KEXP (a radio station and also online+YouTube) has opened my eyes to so many new artists. And also bandcamp has a very interesting related artists kinda feature

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Used to be we would share mixtapes.. I really miss that. It was an intimate social interaction that we've entirely lost with modern streaming.

[–] VeganBtw@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I share the sentiment, but I remember finding the songs for mixtapes on... the radio, where I didn't really have a say on what's playing. Algorithms can be a force for good sometimes.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

but I remember finding the songs for mixtapes on… the radio

Back in the day, disk jockies would announce 'Alright, get your cassettes out, we're going to play the entire Led Zep - Kashmir LP, usually late at night.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Used to be that disk jockeys also got to pick what they played to an extent. Now it's all just predetermined lists nationwide brought to you by iHeartRadio. But yeah. Crazy to think how quickly things changed.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

True. Most radio stations now get their playlists from corporate, like Clear Channel. So, both the radio station and the music industry are in cahoots. A pay to play scenario. Gone are the days of submitting an LP to a radio station for play consideration.

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[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bandcamp? Listenbrainz? Last.fm?

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Aside from similar artists, I scrobble to Listenbrainz, which gives recommendations from similar artists and similar listeners.

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[–] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Not by reading pitchfork or rolling stone. Those are only for people who hate music.

Back in the aughts I would find bands because they were an opener for another band I was seeing.

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[–] frankenswine@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

NPR's tiny desk

asking your friends and aquantances

listening to dj sets

rutracker

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Theses are great suggestions. Thank you.

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