Could we also make it so primaries don’t take six months? I’ve never voted in a presidential primary where my vote affected the outcome at all because every state I’ve lived in was late in the schedule.
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Then what is the media going to talk about for 6 months?
Don’t get me started on the electoral-media complex that makes our elections too damn long.
If we’re making impossible demands on the system I’d also include 60 day election cycles. No political advertising or campaigning more than two months before the election.
But I’m a bad American who hates the GDP.
It all comes down to the political parties. Which is partly why our elections suck so much.
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Same here, it's such bullshit. Then people scold me when I complain as if I didn't go to the primaries when typically it's the primary that doesn't come to me. How dare I not go vote for someone who already conceded, I must be what's wrong with democracy.
Oh but don't you want to know first which Democrat places like Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas would like? You know, those bastions of democracy.
/s, like it's needed lol.
I kinda get why they drag it out, it allows canidates to respond to the electorate better.
My suggestion would be to make it take 3 months and divide the delegates evenly between all 3. Hell let Iowa be a week early. Plus with ranked choice if a canidate drops out those votes can be reallocated
I do just feel like there's something about these long races that allow us to get a much better idea of who a canidate is. Once they begin to feel the pressure they start to change.
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I just want to point out that Ranked-Choice Voting was on the ballot in Colorado in 2024. It ultimately failed because it was opposed by both parties. I was surprised, because I talked through the issues with a friend who considered herself "very progressive" she mentioned she was against Ranked-Choice Voting because her Democratic Voting Guide recommended voting against it.
From https://tsscolorado.com/colorado-voters-easily-reject-ranked-choice-voting/
...it angered both Democratic and Republican party leaders and drew opposition from prominent Democratic backers, including a plethora of unions, progressive groups and some environmental organizations.
Ohio passed a law this year banning state funds to any municipality that implemented ranked choise voting. Only one or two representatives voted against it. The only bi-partisan bill they passed thos year
Yeah, politicians are scared of anything that will disrupt their power structure.
If you blindly follow a Democratic Voting Guide, you're not "very progressive." Probably not even "kind of progressive."
The problem with the two party system, is the only thing they'll always agree on is that it should remain a two party system.
We had the same issue in the UK. We had the choice of something else and it was dismissed as "too complicated" and "too expensive".
So instead most of us have their votes thrown out locally, and then most of the rest have them thrown out nationally.
You mean one party system.
Following a democratic voting guide has got to be the least progressive you can be as a Democrat
It was combined with a top 4 jungle primary that was not ranked choice, which was why a lot of people who might have voted for it otherwise voted against it. It looked like a way to implement ranked choice while creating a system where less moderate candidates would be eliminated in the primary.
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Missouri tricked people into banning it by making it sound like they were banning non-citizens from casting multiple votes and the dumb dumbs who don’t read anything just voted for it.
Shall the Missouri Constitution be amended to:
- Make the Constitution consistent with state law by only allowing citizens of the United States to vote;
- Prohibit the ranking of candidates by limiting voters to a single vote per candidate or issue; and
- Require the plurality winner of a political party primary to be the single candidate at a general election?
MO GOP had a long history of getting illiterate voters to vote against themselves with shade language. Voters approved an anti-gerrymandering amendment but GOP put confusing language on the ballot, a year later, that tricked voters into cancelling that out.
A judge had to step in on the abortion ballot proposal because they tried to do it again. Thankfully, the judge made them out clear language on it. Unfortunately, they are trying it again with abortion next year.
https://www.kmbc.com/article/missouri-abortions-judge-approves-ballot-language/68915245
I didn’t vote for it because I can read
Lol I made a showerthoughts post about how its such a wonderful thing that global literacy rates are rising... then these shit happens...
🤦♂️
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Jesus fuck finally.
This is how we get rid of the one party system.
It'll be an uphill battle since Ranked Choice Voting would weaken the power of both Democrats & Republicans and party leadership knows it but I also support it strongly for just that reason.
This is just for the Democratic primary, not the general election - but the same idea applies there, as it weakens the ability of the party leadership to choose who wins
It boils down to this: If you support the direct will of the people in choosing a candidate, you probably like RCV. If you want the party to have significant influence in choosing a candidate, you probably don't like RCV.
It is possible the Democrats are realizing that their establishment selected candidates are not competitive against modern Republicans.
It's also possible they are considering somebody more radical but want plausible deniability about how that person came to be elected.
Or it's possible they are just out of ideas.
Or maybe all three...
Crazy idea. What if the Democratic primary was actually a democracy? Let the candidate who wins the most states with an electoral weight be the candidate.
Make them open. Make then count. Make them accountable.
Good news!
The voting members of the DNC agreed with you 8 months ago when they elected a chair with a decade long track record of fair primaries and then putting the full weight of the party behind every candidate in the general.
We're also very unlikely to see a push to consolidate behind a "winner" after only a handful of states vote.
I don't think the current DNC chair has ever weighed in on any primary. Even for Mamdani he waited till the day after the primary. And Martin loves Mamdani almost as much as trump does.
So we can expect neutrality till the very last state reports their primary result.
So they plan to kill super delegates?
Super delegates only vote in the second round. That's been on the books since 2020. Sure, it doesn't remove them entirely, but you just need to have the majority of pledged delegates for it to not matter.
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Let all the states vote before declaring a winner. I've never voted in a primary with more than one active candidate.
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Interesting given that in the recent past the Democratic Party opposed implementing RCV 👀.
I'm still betting they oppose it. They're just not in power right now. The second they have a majority again all RCV initiative stops. Maybe a state or two flips over to RCV in the mean time if we're lucky.
Yeah, they know the progressives will beat them if they allow rcv
I'll believe it when I see it.
ABOUT FUCKING TIME
I mean, Ken was for it when he ran Minnesota...
I don't know why he wouldn't be for it now.
Democrats will ratfuck progressives under any ruleset.
Just gotta make the dumbasses in the Pedo Party to think Ranked Choice is somehow good for them, or that they came up with the idea.
Send mayor Mamdani to the White House again. He did well in that cesspool last time.
It is good for the voters.
Just not the establishment politicians clothing to their power and wealth
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The first step to get the voting fixed shouldn't be ranked voting. It should be getting rid of winner takes it all. If a party gets 40% of the votes, and there are 10 representatives, it should get 4 of them, not 0.
What would happens is Dem states will do proportional allocation, republican states would stick with winner take all, and you end up with a permanent republican presidency.
States run elections, states also get to decide how to allocate their electors.
Anything short of a constitutional amendment will not work.
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It would only work if they converted to a national vote, instead of state by state elections with individual ranked choice votes.
Both. We need to outloaw fptp. Usually these things happen by States first, then its forced on the holdouts by the feds
That's how we got woman the right to vote.
STAR voting is simpler and
peer-reviewed, topping the charts in all studies of accuracy and representativeness.
Star is way worse at preventing gaming the system because if your favorite candidate is one of the less likely to win, mathematically you shouldn't rank anyone else even 1 star or your vote may be the reason your most favorite candidate loses by ensuring someone less favorable to you wins. If you made me vote on STAR id literally never rank an establishment candidate ever, my ballot wouldn't change at all from how it looks now and neither would any of the people who want smaller candidates to win and know how math works.
I used to run then elections in the organization I was a part of. Just use Scottish RCV it's better and with plenty real world tests and results.
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Does Israel approve? Doubt it because then they’d have to buy more politicians from new political parties with our tax dollars
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