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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 108 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Just for fun I wonder where England and the USA would be on this list...

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

The only people who are likely to take such a test in an anglophone country are immigrants ...

Would be interesting to see how native speakers score, though.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If you immigrate as an English speaker to Canada you have to take an English proficiency test even if it is your first language.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm guessing you could take French as well, regardless of where you're going, right? Language equality is serious business.

Yes, unnecessary documentation is very our style. And no guarantee you won't have to do it again for some other entity. Somehow we're still one of the easiest destinations to immigrate to.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I’m an immigrant in Germany, and they offered me an integration course when I got my spousal visa. I’ve taught those classes for the same city. They did waive my language requirement because of my master’s degree in German though, so that was nice and unexpected.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They did waive my language requirement because of my master’s degree in German

Yes, we believe in degrees.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

On behalf of Germans, sorry for that. It's hard to go against the rightwing propaganda machine, but lots of people are trying.

Come to !ich_iel@feddit.org if you want to learn some new idioms Ü

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't comment for the whole Anglosphere and I certainly won't comment on NI, Wales, and Scotland, but for England:

Pick any point on the map and move in any direction. As you move, if the average wage increases, English proficiency increases and vice versa.

I'd say at the lowest level equivalent is France and the highest level equivalent is Denmark.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have a hard time believing that there are regions in England where native English speakers are on the English proficiency level of France. Unless you classify any dialect as "bad English".

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You haven't been to enough regions of England mate. I'm only slightly joking when I say it can get bad. Not "it's a difficult to understand dialect" but "how the hell did you even make it through the state school system?" bad. Genuinely some of the first generation immigrants speak better English than some of the locals.

Source: grew up in one of these regions.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago

I mean, the King's English is technically a dialect too. It's just the one on top.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, that's what a dialect is. Well, thanks for clearing up what you meant.

Also, I'd assume even the heaviest dialect speaker will usually be able to write perfectly understandable sentences in a written test.

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[–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I find that broken English is easier to understand, compared to the time I talked to a Londoner in the bus, I could understand him but my travel buddy had no idea.

Accents can be rough on tourists.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's known that two non-native English speakers can understand each other more easily than a non-native speaker and a native speaker. The non-native speakers are better at deciphering incorrect use of the language than the native speaker who has stricter expectations.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago

I am fully expecting England to not be at the top. Especially if written skills are measured.

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[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fake news. Everyone in France speaks English when English speakers aren't around. They only speak French out of spite.

[–] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Everyone in France speaks English the moment an English speaker tries to speak French.

My French sucks. I would intentionally butcher French just so they’d roll their eyes and start speaking English.

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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 59 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Whenever a few Europeans from different countries come together, there's a joke that inevitably gets told:

Someone who speaks many languages is multilingual. Someone who speaks two languages is bilingual. Someone who speaks one language is English.

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[–] whimsy@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What is the point of depicting data in this manner? The spatial coordinates have no meaning

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The countries are ordered on the bend line according to their rank, so the 1-dimensional spatial coordinate system describing this line does have meaning.

This somwhat unusual representation has the advantage that they managed to represent all datapoints with a well readable font on a graphic that fits well even on a phone's screen, and it's sort of eye-catching.

It's pretty unintuitive, though. I had to actually read and analyse it rather than just view it.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Seems made for mobile.

[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I look at this and I think you know, not everything needs to be a bar chart… this is different, it’s creative, but then again, it would be better as a bar chart.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Where does the UK and Eire come on this?

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

It was skewed off the bottom of the scale by scouse.

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[–] chonomaiwokurae@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 week ago (9 children)

It’s hard to believe Germany is so high on the list. I visit regularly and even worked there for a while, where are all the fluent English speakers hiding?

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago

The EF English Proficiency Index (EF EPI) attempts to rank countries by the equity of English language skills amongst those adults who took the EF test. It is the product of EF Education First, an international education company, and draws its conclusions from data collected via English tests available for free over the internet. The index is an online survey first published in 2011based on test data from 1.7 million test takers. The most recent edition was released in November 2023.

Wikipedia.org

So the data is not representative for the entire population of a country.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't know what study these numbers are based on, but many of them only assess certain (typically younger) age groups. In my experience, the people coming out of school today in Germany are often quite good in English.

Edit: Looked it up. The data are not based on any study but the results of test takers that aim to earn a certain language certificate. So no specific age group but still likely younger people. The sample is completely self-selected, though, so it's hard to say anything definitive. From the Wikipedia page:

The EF EPI 2024 edition was calculated using test data from 2.1 million test takers in 2023. The test takers were self-selected. 116 countries and territories appear in this edition of the index. In order to be included, a country was required to have at least 400 test takers.

And more:

The EF English Proficiency Index has been the subject of criticism in literature. From the point of view of methodology, it suffers from self-selection bias. Instead of testing the level of English proficiency in the population, it tests the level of English of those who self-select.

This seems like a very poor basis for a country ranking.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Currently in university or so, and there is a large countryside vs. city gap.

In my experience there has been a relatively recent massive improvement in English skills by the younger generation. Anyone 35+ is still very much behind though. As an elder Millenial myself, it actually caught me on a wrong foot carreerwise as being able to speak English well is no longer considered to be a selection criteria for many jobs, because so many can do it and it is assume a given.

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[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Same with Austria. As a Dane living in Austria, it feels like nobody here has even half-decent English skills. It's horrible, and I blame generations of dubbed TV and movies.

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[–] Netux@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

The uk didn't even make it on the list, how embarrassing.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Was curious how Belgium would score by language region.

Seems the Flemish part scores higher than The Netherlands while Wallonia drags everything down.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

French speakers being French speakers. Case in point: France scores lower than fucking Russia

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This explains why French people are always speaking French in game chat in Rocket League as if French is the Lingua Franca lmfao so silly.

Every time they utilize the chat it's also to be unprovokedly toxic which is another mystery. Maybe they're just that unhappy? Something bad in the water?

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] plyth@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago

Missed the chance to reverse the color scale and have orange for the Netherlands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III_of_England

[–] tamlyn@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What's the source for this, what does these numbers mean and how do they got these numbers, just curious

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago

The EF EPI 2024 edition was calculated using test data from 2.1 million test takers in 2023. The test takers were self-selected.

Self-selected. Meh ...

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The French refuse to learn English out of spite, not ability. Infact I wouldn't put it past a Frenchman to be completely fluent in English but when asked say they don't understand a word, just because they despise the British so much.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This would really be more fun if UK were included in the list because you already know it wouldn't be on top lol

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[–] naught101@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

We need a BadDataViz community...

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 10 points 1 week ago
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would love to see the USA's test results on this chart.

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[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Wow, France being lower than everyone else but Turkey is wild.

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