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Germany’s parliament recently held a special session to discuss whether members of the far-right Alternative for Germany party (AfD) may have been deliberately acting in Russia’s interests. The debate was initiated by lawmakers from the Social Democrats (SPD) and the conservative CDU/CSU bloc, who demanded explanations from AfD’s leadership after the populist party made a series of unusually detailed parliamentary inquiries into the state of the country’s defense and cybersecurity systems, according to a report by Der Spiegel.

Thomas Röwekamp, chair of the Bundestag’s Defense Committee and a CDU member, said AfD lawmakers had submitted “systematically connected and extremely detailed” questions about the Bundeswehr’s capabilities and “combat readiness gaps.” The scope and level of detail, he said, “cannot be explained by a legitimate interest in parliamentary oversight of the government.” Röwekamp suggested that the effort appeared to be “a targeted and systematic collection of military information from the Defense Ministry and the Bundeswehr, information of significant value to foreign powers — in particular Russia, which has for years continuously intensified its espionage and hybrid attacks against Germany.”

Georg Maier, interior minister of the German state of Thuringia, earlier said his ministry had observed similar AfD inquiries in the state parliament, focusing on transport, energy, and digital infrastructure. He suggested the party might be “acting on the Kremlin’s orders” in its inquiries.

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[–] tfm@piefed.europe.pub 56 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How about just forbidding the party already?!

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Who should the CDU have a coalition with then? ~/s~

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nobody. Their former voters will magically start voting (again) for the CDU once the AfD is forbidden.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's not about free speech (we don't have that in the US American understanding), but about whether the party is acting against the liberal democratic basic order.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I know and I agree, both AfD and RN should be banned. They have no place in a democracy

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago

Rassemblement National, the French ~~nazis~~ far right

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Let's hope, that finally some authoity has the guts to file a complaint.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's very difficult, because the law banning right wing parties has to be written in a way so they don't accidentally ban the CDU as well.

[–] tfm@piefed.europe.pub 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There wouldn't be a new law for this. The courts would ban it after a review

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago

Not the courts but the federal constitutional court.

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

So they are just a bunch of traitors.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 days ago

Always have been

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When haven't fascists been traitors?

Usually they do things like internationally isolating their country, leading to economic problems and poverty due to lack of international trade, or even outright picking unwinnable fights with the rest of the world, leading to eventual, inevitable, and total defeat, additionally they will imprison and/or kill a large part of their own population.

What is destroying or severely damaging your own country (all while pretending you love it) and imprisoning and killing its people, if not treason?

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 days ago

Is the sky blu? Does it hurt when i hit you with an axe?

[–] Econode@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That fits like the fist on the eye as the Germans say.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago

Like bullet in nazi brain

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But ask the judicial system to ban the party? Nooooo! Convince your voters with democratic arguments as to why the rich shouldn't be taxed and why immigrants are the problem.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This isn't your Göebbels' propaganda machine. They've fine-tuned it to perfection: picking out the exact type they're looking for and feeding them a highly concentrated line to produce the exact result they want (voting for fascists).

We tried to tell everyone but for some reason it didn't get picked up in the press very much.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even with the more sophisticated targeting (we can thank technological progress for that), it's still using methods pioneered by Göbbels. For example retelling the same lie over and over again, until people start to believe it.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Oh sure, it’s just evolved to be more brainfucky.