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Tabled Tuesday, the budget says legislative changes will streamline approvals and reduce regulatory uncertainty for the planned high-speed rail line between Toronto and Quebec City.

Prime Minister Mark Carney announced in September that the government would speed up engineering and regulatory work on the project to get construction underway within four years.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Still skeptical since HSR gets dangled every election by the LPC, but it seems it's getting closer to reality. Still a while till the planned construction start but if it starts, I think it'll likely be built, at least between TO and MTL. A three-hour trip for a low price would be a significant economic boost for the region and bring ON and QC closer together.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I did not read the article or any of the recent proposals, but I don't see this being truly beneficial unless the HSR can go downtown to Gare Central in Montréal, just like I assume it'd go to Union in Toronto. However Montréal is so densely packed due to its geographical location, the regular ol VIA rail barely makes it in there on shared tracks. I currently can't see how this would work out, unless the HSR made the last 30 km on the same snail-trail that the current services use.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's how it was in Italy. The train can go slow on the snail-trail within the city, then go pedal to the metal on the new track outside. That said I suspect Alto might be able to buy dedicated track to downtown MTL. The Lakeshore corridor in the GTA which goes through Union has gov't owned track for GO.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope there's enough political will behind it, like there is behind the REM in Montréal. Those dudes are working miracles in contrast to the shit show that is the Eglinton LRT.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

The Eglinton LRT is a special kind of PPP hell. 😄

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Or a new hub forms around the train station where it ends up.

This is just pessimism. A project like high speed rail makes Montreal closer to Toronto than Ottawa was. People will build around it just like the build around every huge transportation project.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There are a number of ideas of how to go through Montreal, one alternative is making like a Y shaped pattern through Lucien-L'Allier (a commuter rail end station). Still would require a big detour.

[–] moonbunny@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I’ll believe it when the contracts are signed and shovels are in the ground. With a minority Liberal government, I have a hard time believing it’s going to happen.

It’s good to hear progress, but unless the Liberals maintain power, there’s still too much uncertainty if it’ll take off.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We are well past the conceptual stage, and into design. i.e. the government has stopped asking "should we?" and over the last couple years has started asking "how?"

[–] moonbunny@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago

Good point, though it feels like there’s already uncertainty being stoked in the media questioning how much longer this government will last in power. I don’t think that was even the case under Trudeau when he got his last minority government with much fewer seats than Carney.

Suffice to say, I really want to see some ground breaking on the project but I won’t hold high hopes until we get to that point.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

We are already decades behind on rail. Given Canada's track record on this, we will probably debate and delay the project until it is significantly outdated by the time it is completed.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

The liberals love cars though.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago
[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's excellent to see a project like Alto to be fast-tracked (heh) and have its funding reaffirmed, for now.

However some cities currently served by Via will not be by Alto, and so far I haven't seen anything concrete by the federal to improve the actual service.

Anybody know if there is a plan for the current and future Via Rail corridor route?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Suggest your own spending cuts, Carney government tells CBC, Via Rail and other Crown corporations 🥲

That said, it could be that this particular corridor might get service improvements despite that. I'm skeptical.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

As someone trying to live without a car, this is very disappointing to see, if not expected. Alto looks like any other new shiny highway announcement. I understand very well that this is badly needed, but beyond that, there's apparently no federal (nor provincial in my case) plan to have any kind of coherent transit system/network.

I could live with the delays and late trains but Via Rail's pricing scheme is literally discouraging people from taking the train. And that's if there are still trains (or even coaches). It's impossible to go in lots of cities without a car now, when it wasn't before. The town where I grew up was founded mainly by the Grand Trunk, had passenger trains for more than a century, but they were discontinued in the mid 90ies, by Paul Martin and the Liberals.

Meanwhile I'm watching videos about "rail route reactivation" and renewal in Germany. From the perspective of someone without a car, this is bad. It seems like the federal government wants people like me to abandon trains/buses/bikes and drive a car everywhere.

I wish Alto wasn't the new shiny thing where they'd dump all the money while forgetting about what's left of the current crumbling infrastructure. I've lived more than two decades without a car but by the time Alto is finished, I'll probably own one because every other coach, train, and transit service will have been cut.