Absolutely bonkers if these mandates are removed but tariffs on Chinese EVs remain. We have no domestic production of EVs and this will tell automakers they dont need to worry about building EVs or competing with China. These are insane policy decisions that just protect automaker profits and removes any incentive for them to adapt or compete.
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Removing a 20% additional cost for next year's models seems prudent at a time when the industry is being slapped by American tarrifs. The other bit is a 60 day pause.
Maybe long term the solution is BYD, I personally don't think every country needs its own wasteful national EV program, it's a terrible white elephant project.
Long term, turns out our auto sector is entirely dependent on America doing what they promised, which is no longer a guarantee. Changing an entire national industry is much harder than it is in video games, and yeah, deciding whether to later be largely dependent on foreign car manufacturers and fighting out what to do with those factories and workers is incredibly complicated.
Tldr; wouldn't bother with pearl clutching about how this is destroying EV adoption in Canada etc.
CBC's coverage and your reading of it isn't critical enough of the LPC, imo. For CBC's part, their coverage surrounding Air Canada's labour issues the other week made that pretty clear.
The pause appears indefinite for now, the part you cite does not say the pause will be for 60 days, but it might be by intention that you read it that way.
The EV mandate will be paused as the government conducts a 60-day review of the policy, and is being waived for 2026 models.
I predicted Carney'd postpone this days ago in another post. My other prediction is that Assolini will not participate in a fair CUSMA renegotiation - nothing about his first 8 months suggests he will.
CPC must be pretty ecstatic. If they can ditch PP for his excessive social conservativism, they can easily win the next federal election as Carney is Conservative. Greenpeace gets it:
However, Greenpeace Canada was quick to criticize the EV mandate delay.
"What was the point of electing Mark Carney when we get Pierre Poilievre's climate policy?" said Keith Stewart, senior energy strategist with the activist group.
The EV mandate will be paused as the government conducts a 60-day review of the policy, and is being waived for 2026 models.
I think you might just be confused or deliberately reading this oddly? Yes, the mandate is at the very least delayed by a year (that's what the 2026 part is) and is being reviewed in totality. At the end of the pause, it might be removed, might be restructured etc, that's literally what it means to review a government policy.
My other prediction is that Assolini will not participate in a fair CUSMA renegotiation
Fully agree. And as such, Canadian industry is likely in for a continued battering as we hemorrhage jobs. And America will likely battle anything approaching EV mandates in its markets. So, such a mandate might just make cars unaffordable in Canada (our market is insignificant compared to to America's.)
As I said earlier, these are huge conversations with implications across the globe. The landscape is wildly different than it was when the Liberals put forward the original legislation. I would want to at a bare minimum, restructure any such mandates in conjunction with the EU, possibly abandon the auto sector entirely etc.
as Carney is Conservative.
This is silly and the same nonsense that puts republicans in power in America. It's the same idiots who said who screamed there was no difference between Democratic and republican environmental policy because Harris would allow fracking, if you can't look and see a stunning chasm between what is and what would have been, that's on you. To seriously suggest that the Conservatives would have the same environmental policy is not only childish beyond belief, stunningly ignorant but that level of false equivocation is fundamentally dangerous.
Edit:
I realize not everyone actually reads what the opposition proposes. Here's a look at the last conservative platform, in particular the climate stuff, feel free to let me know how much of this you think is happening under Carney:
- Axe the entire carbon tax, including industrial pricing
- Scrap regulations they view as costly or ideological, including the oil and gas GHG emissions cap, Clean Fuels Regulation (CFR) and Clean Electricity Regulation (CER)
- Plan to double oil production
- (e.g., Bills C-69 & C-48)
- Oppose federal overreach into industrial or provincial jurisdiction (e.g., electricity taxes)
To seriously suggest that the Conservatives would have the same environmental policy is not only childish beyond belief, stunningly ignorant but that level of false equivocation is fundamentally dangerous.
You disagree with Greenpeace and I, that's fine. I think the thing that unsettles me the most with Carney - and maybe you feel somewhat similarly with your invocation of US politics examples - is that I fear Canadian politics is descending to the 2-party system in the US where neither party serves working class interests, the two parties are very similar on many fronts (except more socially conservative 'issues'), and the system is so easily gamed by the filthy rich to prevent positive change. (I feel the NDP is sadly missing the opportunity to be Mamdani-like, cater to the 90+% of Canadians that supported Air Canada Flight Attendants' strike action, fill the void left of the political centre, etc.) It instills me with hopelessness and it can rile me up in an angry way. Carney has really disappointed me. I know a plurality here hold out hope that he'll reveal a positive character later in his term, but I don't share that belief. I remember Trump favouring Carney more than PP during the campaign for the federal Canada election. I don't fully understand it, but it makes more sense to me now than it did before Carney was elected
I remember Trump favouring Carney more than PP during the campaign for the federal Canada election. I don’t fully understand it
It was dead simple. every Conservative politician both here (and the few who cared there) was essentially screaming/signalling as hard as they could to donald to STFU about Polievre as their relationship was huge wedge issue in the Canadian Conservative party. (Donald also rarely likes backing the losing side.)
Not to be rude, but it seems like you're fairly new to politics if this was something that was honestly confusing. So, if I can offer some friendly advice/perspective: Carnery is handful of months into a new term with Canada facing arguably the largest economic crisis of the last 30 or 40 years? An almost unprecedented upheaval to our economic system in that our single largest trading partner (we trade more with America than we do with the rest of the world combined) now wants to decouple. The Liberals barely won that election, and even with an almost historic consolidation on the Left, could not assemble a majority. At the same time, Left wing governments across the world are embattled as far Right movements rise in popularity (Germany, the UK etc.)
How we approach the next few months likely has generational impacts that far outweigh an EV mandate next year or the next five. That's a time to be cautious, measured and compromising, especially with those with whom we disagree. I would prefer more stringent climate regulations but what matters most is that we can carry those out long term. How do we do that? On some aspects of climate, we're probably going to have to compromise (EV mandate) and on others (say, doubling oil production) we're probably not.
I fear Canadian politics is descending to the 2-party system
Because almost half the country went Conservative. They got more than 40% of the vote. Even adding together every Green, NDP and Liberal vote barely gets to 50%. Either the centre and the Left fracture and let the Conservatives do whatever they want, or we appeal to some of that 45% and get back to our regular multi party system. But as long as the centre and Left so repel 45% of the population, that's just a recipe for actual climate suicide, not this "oh no, Carney is the same as Polievre" silliness." Especially in our elected dictatorship, it's a great strength of our system but also means that there is a huge risk.
CPC must be pretty ecstatic. If they can ditch PP for his excessive social conservativism, they can easily win the next federal election as Carney is Conservative. Greenpeace gets it:
However, Greenpeace Canada was quick to criticize the EV mandate delay.
“What was the point of electing Mark Carney when we get Pierre Poilievre’s climate policy?” said Keith Stewart, senior energy strategist with the activist group.
Can we please at least admit that a Polievre government certainly would have had a pipeline or two in the upcoming national projects? Please? I cannot think of a more simple but correct example thus far:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/no-oil-pipeline-on-list-1.7629818
turns out our auto sector is entirely dependent on America doing what they promised
Our auto sector isn't dependent on America. It's outright American. We have no Canadian auto manufacturers. We're just a resource labour colony run by the US to lower manufacturing costs.
I basically agree, it's really how you define the terms. We don't have Canadian manufacturers etc. But it's not straight up American, we also have Honda and Toyota.
And a lot of the world fights for any position on that resource chain as the almost 400K jobs in the sector are generally high paying, often low education requirements, hard to replace jobs with specialized, not always particularly transferrable skills. One of the last of the "good" manufacturing jobs and replacing it will be incredibly difficult.
But it’s not straight up American, we also have Honda and Toyota.
Not for long, both only assemble here for the US market.
No company can survive in Canada for only the CDN market. There have been CDN car companies, they all failed.
Bingo!
It's about corporate profits. Things like "innovation" get in the way of bigger profits. The whole north american auto industry would be belly up if it wasn't for decades of consistent corporate welfare payments from the public sector and the regulatory carve out that is the "light truck" category.
This is just more of the same, a beautifully crafted space to make vehicles with tech from the 1970's and charge $60k a pop.
I heard this on the radio this morning and it ruined my morning
But Ford built an EV truck and no one bought them. Why are people pointing fingers at government when millions of microdicks are now driving lifted pickups all over Canada? Garbage EVs from China is not a solution.
This argument makes no sense, BYD offers compact cheap EVs, a product Ford does not produce. If there is no market demand for that, then tariffs serve no purpose. If there is market demand but the companies refuse to fill that niche, then why are we protecting them?
BYD offers compact cheap EVs, a product Ford does not produce.
That Ford (and GM and whatever Chrysler calls themselves now) chooses not to produce.
There is a market for affordable EV commuter cars, and the north American industry chooses not to address that market because they seem to prefer to produce land yachts and mall assault vehicles.
That's exactly what the person above you is saying, I think.
Yes, and I simply expanded on that point.
Exactly. Consumers are idiots. No one costs out a vehicle with 5 years of fuel costs. Instead, they buy a $60,000 truck based on 1950s technology that sucks fuel at $200 a tank and then blames government policies.
chooses not to produce.
Shocker, Ford and GM choose not to go broke. They cannot compete with a Chinese company subsidized by the Chinese government to the tune of >$30B, selling every single car at a loss.
The ignorance in this thread is incredible.
The least expensive EVs in Europe are $40,000CAD. $46,000-50,000 with VAT.
Ford Mach E is $46K CAD.
You guys are expecting Ford and GM to go head to head with a company allowed to function $30B in debt backed by the Chinese government.
They are already in arrears with parts suppliers.
They cannot compete with a Chinese company subsidized by the Chinese government
That company isn't operating in Canada, and I'm not suggesting that they need to.
I'm suggesting that the companies who already operate here fill a gap in the market so there isn't any consumer demand to try and court that unfairly advantaged Chinese company.
BYD offers compact cheap EVs
Because the Chinese government is making them sell below cost. It's called dumping. The point is to destroy local industry.
But BYD is fucked, they cannot survive on this much longer.
While the feds tried to incentivise EVs, the provincial PCs ripped out chargers and subsidized gas prices.
Because the Chinese government is making them sell below cost.
The link you provided literally says that the Chinese government is telling them not to do that. The issue is described as BYD trying to edge out other Chinese companies and monopolize the Chinese car market.
The whole argument for the tariffs is to protect local car manufacturers and the people who work for them, but Canada doesn't produce EVs right now and the issue is that now we are telling car companies they dont have to produce EVs either. So what is the logic behind the tariffs at this point? Seems like its just protecting car companies from needing to innovate.
Wow.
"Our members are fully committed to the transition of their product portfolios to electrified transportation and this is the future of our sector, however that transition can only happen as quickly as consumers are willing to move."
How about you actually make an affordable EV (ie actually invest in the manufacturing)? Or remove the barriers preventing BYD and others from offering their 20-30k EVs into this market? Protectionism doesnt do shit for a business that refuses to modernize and accept that their products are a major leading factor of climate change.
How about you actually make an affordable EV
No one will buy them. You can buy a Nissan Leaf with under 100,000km for $6000. Teslas are >$20K used. Why? BECAUSE NO ONE IS BUYING THEM.
Why should they? Doug Ford is subsidizing gas prices.
You know the best way to get automakers to convert production to EVs? Competition.
We need to open the market up to all manufacturers and have an actual free market race to make the best product. We have to stop protecting the traditional automakers with tariffs and restrictions applied to prop up their poor business choices.
That's too logical. Instead, Carney should cut public services, and we should give another $18 billion to build a new factory producing shitty cars no one in their right mind would buy, so that his lobbyist friends can make political donations under all their family members names and call me the only adult in the room. I'll give it 7 months.
Sales quotas?
We should be trying to build a country that requires fewer cars, not more, EV or otherwise.
Rebates shouldn't be on vehicles, but on charging infrastructure. The current infrastructure is woefully inadequate, and the infrastructure will last many decades, a car lasts maybe 1 to 2 decades.
Electric charging being cheaper than fuel should be the primary financial incentive. HOV Lane access, and other benefits should be enough to bolster demand.
The subsidies on luxury vehicles, Tesla's specifically, were a harmful policy mistake that have given idiots talking points that will be used years from now.
The current infrastructure is woefully inadequate
Doug Ford ripped out the chargers as soon as he got into office, and the commercial ones are mostly broken at all times.
Europe has a choice of 12 EVs under $40,000CAD. That's as cheap as they can go without Chinese government backing. But, they are compact hatchbacks, not currently fashionable with CDN consumers.