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[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You SHOULD vote for Joe, but fucking hell this is HIS fault. Voters are a swirling mass of people. It might as well be fluid dynamics. Bad policies and apathy WILL affect support. It's going to. You can't stop it. You can't shame it back again either. You can't win back tent guy's vote by blaming him for Joe Biden's failures.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm deeply uncomfortable with the amount of people calling those wholly opposed to complicity in genocide as "single issue voters". Sure, if genocide isn't enough of a concern for you to oppose candidates that are complicit, then I guess you can call it "single issue".

We're talking genocide here, so I'm going to compare this to the most known genocide on the planet. Imagine if we knew about and could see the Holocaust occurring as it happened when it started, and FDR was funding the Reich including circumventing congress. Would you expect people to still vote for FDR, or would you expect people to oppose his candidacy? This caliber of rhetoric as well as this post has turned this leftist away from my plan to vote for Biden. Nice work folks. I'll be voting for Cornel West and trying to keep the liberal trifecta in my state legislature this year.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

The "if Trump wins" folks are angry at the implication that their vote is tacit support of genocide, but are fine with the implication that not voting for Biden is tacit support for Trump

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

If Trump wins, funding for Israel will increase, and even more Palestinians will die. So basically, you're valuing your purity over human lives. Which is quite fascist, if you think about it.

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[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Off course they are busy with such issue.

How much of an issue would it be if it was you running away with your family from place to another, starving and getting bombed, to realize the next morning, that you have lost your mom and have to burry your sister, your kids are under the rubble, one is limpless for life now, another is dead, another still missing.

How would you feel if the people selling and enabling your genocide, or the people who have the power to step in and help, are discussing school lunch and economy issues, while yours are non-existant. I bet you cannot afford to give half a fuck about the economy, or college tuition, or housing affordability, or nothing else.

War and genocide cannot simply be dissmissed as another issue. This issue is literally life and death, pain and torture, and every decision that causes it to happen is everything of someone's life.

[–] jupiter_jazz@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm sure Trump will fix it.

missed the ball completely

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Both parties support Israel. Voting will not prevent the genocide regardless of who you vote for or if you don't vote at all. But a whole host of other issues that affect peoples' lives WILL be affected by that choice. So rather than focus on what you have zero control over as far as voting goes, focus on what you do.

Why doesn't she have a sign that says "Stop genocide in Palestine"?

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wow, look at all those issues democrats won't actually do anything about, they'll just let republicans destroy those things so they can scream about them to get votes and continue to do nothing about them.

Oh, and democrats support genocide. No amount of whataboutism should disguise the fact that democrats are deep throating a genocidal apartheid ethnostate led by far-right war criminals.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for your well-researched and very-nuanced view, I hope you enjoy Donald “They’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.” Trump's next term, 2024-20??

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

How do you think we got trump in the first place? The awfulness of the republican party did not begin with him and will not end with him, but the whole time democrats have insisted that we need a republican party. It's a tag team play that ends in fascism regardless. If trump is beaten, the next bogeyman will be there for democrats to point at and claim "we just need to beat this one guy and then we'll work on issues you care about, we swear" yet again.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

People who make these typa posts are the same people who wouldn't show up to a protest for any of these things

yall are actually insane if you think protesting genocide is somehow mutually exclusive from other issues, or that pressuring Biden automatically means you're voting for Trump

Both this community and Politics have some of the dumbest party shill takes ever.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The comics making a point about how many crises we're facing. But Biden is already president. These are his crises.

[–] StructuredPair@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This sentiment ignores that there is more to the government than the president and that the president is not (currently) a dictator.

(The conservatives in the judiciary seem primed to make the presidency a dictatorship, but won't do it while a Democrat is on office)

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So with Biden you think the presidency is impotent, yet Trump will have the powers of a dictator

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay making a top level comment after quite a bit of research.

The artist of this cartoon has literally never expressed criticism of the US’s participation in genocide nor apartheid—nor even of the involvement of the military-industrial complex—even once since October 7.

So if this post comes off as excessively patronizing to some, there may be a reason for that, as the tone here is not all that different from the rest of the guy’s work.

That does not mean that there is no valid concern from the artist here. Whatever your plans are for November, a Trump win is going to result in some non-zero excess harm against the vulnerable and the environment over what would be involved in a Biden win in the short run—that much most of us can agree on.

But the comic does this point in such a fucking tone deaf way? like hawt damn.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I personally interpered the comic as a criticism of people vowing to vote third party, not a criticism of people protesting Gaza as a whole. I hate what Isreal is doing in Gaza, but I'm not going to throw my vote away on a third parry this election when Trump would make everything including Gaza so much worse.

More of the artist's work concerning Gaza:

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

patronizing is exactly the right word holy shit :(

i am not a single issue voter and i’m highly critical of those telling me to utterly ditch the blue vote. but i am very uncomfortable with this portrayal of the pro-Palestine movement and i hope you, the reader, are too

the artist of this should feel some level of shame i think

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. Save the "democracy" which puts the whole force of the law on you when you protest for Palestine or against Cop City.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should do something about that. Biden has to win to do something about that. Vote for the most progressive candidates that can win.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

He should do something about that.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess Biden better... Earn more votes.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

So you're saying voters have no power, only politicians. Cool.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am not saying we shouldn't vote for Biden, but acting like we shouldn't be protesting the genocide of Palestinians is bullshit. I know Trump would be worse, but it doesn't mean we should speak out against Biden sending weapons that directly aid in the death of children.

We can't just pretend he isn't complicit in war crimes just because the other option is worse. We should be able to speak out against the atrocities.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

At least Biden allows the protests to happen. Under Trump, the first protest would be the last as he would immediately mobilize the National Guard and authorize the use of lethal force to suppress it.

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this is a pretty silly comic. It’s a massive whataboutism.

At the beginning of the war I’d always hear “But what about hamas!??1! Do you condemn hamas!?!1”

Then I saw “But what about trump!!1! Obviously you need to support biden while he funds this genocide because the other option is worse!!1!”

Now, I’m seeing “But what about climate change!?!?!? What about the corrupt courts ??!?!?!? But what about reproductive rights ?!?!?”

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The comic, to me, shows that there's a lot more at stake than Gaza this election season. Protest voting because Biden hasn't done more will make all those issues, especially Gaza, insurmountably worse.

Netanyahu isn't angling for a Trump presidency because of personal preference.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It literally cannot get worse for the Palestinians in Gaza.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't worry, the folks who aren't voting for Biden over Palestine aren't voting for Trump either, so it balances out.

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[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone shut the fuck up and vote Biden. We'll figure everything else out later.

The alternative is we do not get a later. Ever again.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Apparently it's never the time to actually improve things because there are elections every two years and anyone disrupting party unity (which insists on keeping the status quo) at any time is supposedly a risk.

[–] Jeanschyso@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Don't worry, single issue voters are very rare. They're being loud right now on Lemmy, but I honestly don't see them anywhere else. I'm pretty sure at least a third are paid actors too, but I can't prove that.

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