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[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 0 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Botanically, sure, but from a culinary perspective they're used like a vegetable.

[–] Gyroplast@pawb.social 0 points 15 hours ago

That's just science as applied by engineers.

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 0 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think vegetable is a botanical term. So fruit and vegetable aren't really mutually exclusive.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I mean, mushrooms get lumped into the vegetable category most of the time and they're a fungus!

[–] match@pawb.social 0 points 15 hours ago

and we usually eat the fruiting body!

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle. But she would also be my grandmother.

[–] stray@pawb.social 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

But what if she had four wheels?

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

As they say, intelligence is knowing tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

(That's the saying, but IMO it's wisdom to know and intelligence to not do it, maybe I'm mixing things up).

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago

From Dungeon Crawler Carl:

I grumbled a bit about that three in intelligence. Yeah, I never did too great in math, but I never considered myself a slobbering idiot, either. I could fix most anything electrical after studying it for a bit. My friend Billy Maloney, now that guy was an idiot. Just last week we’d come out of a bar, and he’d peed right on a cop’s bicycle while the cop was giving someone else a ticket for drunk and disorderly. That guy deserved an intelligence of three, maybe two.

. . .

After I complained about my intelligence score to Mordecai, using the Billy example, he said, “Intelligence told you that bike belonged to a police officer. Wisdom told you not to urinate upon it.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay, but the ruling is totally sensible inasmuch as it applies to "purposes of tariffs, imports and customs". Tomatoes by and large aren't being imported for their botanical value; they're being used for food. This ruling exists so corporations can't "um ackshually" their way out of paying their fair share.

But that's too sensible; in reality, this unanimous ruling that I never bothered to spend five seconds researching independently (I am very intellectually superior) was just "le Americans uneducated ecksdee".

(And before you point it out: yes, an "um ackshually" definition of vegetables includes fruits, although this is using a culinary one. So indeed, the original post can't even pedant right.)

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 0 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

'Fruit de la mere' is obviously just some attempted tax dodge.

[–] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Assuming you were aiming for the French phrase for 'seafood', I think you meant 'fruit de mer.'

'Fruit de la mère' would translate to, 'fruit of the mother.'

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 hours ago

Fruit de la merde

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

Or maybe dodging the no meat Friday of the Catholic Church. ?

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Fruit the botanical term and fruit the culinary term are just not the same word. Similarly to how theory means something different in science and in colloquial speech. That's just how language works.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

More people ought to learn about the programming language concept of namespaces. Generalize from that and you realize that every domain of discourse has its own namespace of words that have different meanings from those same words outside the domain.

My favourite is math which has loads of wonderfully generic-sounding terms such as rational, irrational, radical, real, imaginary, complex, group, ring, field, category, set, operator, element, and unit which all have radically different meanings from the everyday senses of those words.

[–] jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, but then where would we be without all those endless squabbles about X which are easily solved by pointing out that A::X != B::X?

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

We’d all be sitting on the back porch, enjoying an ice cold ginger beer at the end of long summer day!

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Is there even a botanical definition of vegetables?

[–] Zier@fedia.io 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 hours ago

That just defines fruit. Vegetable has no formal definition, and in practice is defined basically as "parts of plants we eat that aren't considered fruits or nuts."

[–] stray@pawb.social 0 points 6 hours ago

No. What is or isn't a vegetable is determined entirely by whether we collectively consider any given plant or plant part a food item.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 0 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Being smug over the meanings of words that aren't ever actually used in a consistent way is even more American.

Um actually, Strawberries are not a berry, it's a Gameboy, not a Nintendo, and I lick toads. Can you go to the bathroom?

The only thing similar that I have experienced in Europe is the protected food name law, e.g. Champagne and Parmesan, but that's an EU cultural protectionism law that the US doesn't actually follow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_traditional_specialities_in_the_European_Union

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

No worries, "being smug over the meanings of words that aren't ever actually used in a consistent way" is done over here in Europe as well. People have the exact same conversations you list as examples. I would even go so far and say that this is true for the whole world and throughout time, a human condition. I would also think that it really isn't about the words/language, but rather about having control over the conversation and power over others.

[–] callouscomic@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 hours ago

No! How dare! My unique lived experience is unique to only me and my arbitrary group! You can't be the same!

What next? You gonna tell me the "wait 5 minutes" joke about weather basically applies everywhere?

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don't see much difference between the Parmesan case and Apple sueing against a vaguely similiar looking logo.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

How so? You can have a cheese that's a molecular perfect replica of a Parmesan and have no legal issues. You only have problems is you call it Parmesan without following the requirements.

To be honest, it seems like the complete opposite issue.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

i thought the problem would be if they called it parmigiano reggiano, but calling it parmesan was okay

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 hours ago

How them toads taste?

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

I don’t understand. A game boy is a Nintendo.

[–] WILSOOON@programming.dev 0 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Fun fact, the vatican classifies capybaras as fish

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 hours ago

For lent-related purposes, I presume? Same as beavers.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

TIL the vatican approves of squirrel stew on fridays.

Either we're all fish, whales and dolphins are fish, or nothing is fish. All three positions are perfectly justifiable depending on your critieria, so take your pick.

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if in other romance languages is the same, in Spanish and Catalan the two definitions are distinguished by being masculine or feminine. Fruto/fruit being masculine is the botanical fruit and fruta/fruita is the culinary fruit.

How is it in other romance languages?

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

Almost, but not quite. Fruto and fruta are not two genders of the same word, but two different words, with different sources words (fruto fructus and fruta fructa)

Meanings are very similar, so there's a lot of mixup.

[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

There are two big grocery chains where I live. One puts the olives in the canned vegetable aisle, the other puts them in the canned fruit aisle. I keep forgetting which does which and end up in the wrong aisle every time.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 hours ago

Treat yourself next time you find them to a jar of kalamatas.

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[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'm going to take this as an opportunity to point out that bees are a type of fish in California.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

You weren't kidding!

California enforces many wildlife regulations. CESA, or the California Endangered Species Act, is designed to keep animal and plant life from extinction. The law covers any threatened “bird, mammal, fish, amphibian, reptile, or plant.”

Insects weren’t mentioned in the specific act’s wording. However, a separate California regulation legally defines fish as “a wild fish, mollusk, crustacean, invertebrate, amphibian, or part, spawn, or ovum of any of those animals.”
So, are bees actually fish? Yes, because all invertebrates are according to California law. The broad definition of fish allows activists to fight for insect survival.
The California Department of Fish and Wildlife has clarified that “It was not believed necessary to include the term invertebrate in the original legislation because ‘fish’ is defined in the Fish and Game Code to include ‘invertebrates’…”

Talk about by-the-book!

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[–] PapaCabbage@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Vegetables do not exist. Well, they exist as a culinary thing. There’s just no scientific/botanical definition of what makes something a vegetable.

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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What about a bell pepper and an aubergine?

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

aubergine

Doesn't exist in the US

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 hours ago

Oh right, they call it eggplant. Right?

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States

Also the X-men aren't human. Kinda makes the court system feel like the baddies tho

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Botanically, there's no such thing as a vegetable.

That's a culinary term, which seems to cover some fruits, some plant roots, some plant stems, some plant leaves, and some plant flowers.While culinary fruits are the other botanical fruits, and a few flowers (figs are weird)

[–] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Now I get why some (a ?) states declared pizza a veggie or something like that? Like if vegetable is a culinary term it makes sense you could classify pizza as a vegetable. But like, why the fuck is law declaring what anything is culinary?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Speculating here, but taxes are one reason.

Almost all the rules about what counts as wine, beer, whiskey, etc. comes from some country making definitions for tax purposes. Often from hundreds of years ago.

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