Poland just never learns.
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Poland learned plenty. Record turnout, the candidate won by a very slim margin. It's brexit vote all over again - half the country is indoctrinated rednecks. A TV station had statistical data - voting for the right wing candidate was proportional with shittier education. People after universities voted 70% in favour of Trzaskowski. People who only finished grade school voted 70% in favour of Nawrocki. You can guess which group has more idiots in it.
Yeah but close isnt enough, how many more years is it gonna take before polish people learn to vote liberal, pro eu candidate, not some pro putin idiot
You seen any European elections lately?
They learned in the last Sejm election, but apparently they already forgot what they learned.
In two years the government hardly delivered anything they promised. And not just because Duda was still a president vetoing everything. No surprise people are disappointed.
It was to be expected that the polish government would disappoint to some extent. It's a coalition of four parties that don't agree on everything, so it's to be expected that it's mostly compromises everyone can kind of live with. But wouldn't it make more sense then to vote for a president who most likely won't veto everything, so that the few progressive things the government agrees on can be enacted? If you want progressive politics you vote for progressive parties/people, even if they don't move stuff forward. At least they don't move them backwards, so in the next election you can build on a stronger foundation.
Neither does Russia
And in my country, we're expecting a BabiΕ‘-Fiala-BabiΕ‘ PM situation akin to Trump-Biden-Trump in the US because of the post-Covid recession. At least BabiΕ‘ didn't become president in 2023.
How bad is this from an international perspective? Will there be Orban-style EU obstruction? Is he a Putin appeaser?
The immidiate consequences are probably minor.
Yet Poland managed to finally get rid of PiS in government and just two years later they elect another right-wing populist president that will continue the sabotaging and blockading of said government.
So another 2 years of ineffective government (caused by the voters) it is. Probably followed by the narrative of how they really need to get the nationalists back into government as they are the only ones getting anything done (who cares that "anything" mainly means corruption and weakening democracy...).
Nawrocki is anti Putin. The parliament is controlled by liberals, but having a far right president gives the far right veto power. That means the liberals have a hard time passing decent laws. It does not fully block Poland, but it slows everything down and more controversial laws will be vetoed. Controversial laws being everything the far right finds controversial, so a lot of them would be good from a leftist perspective. If PiS wins the next election Poland would move to an Orban style regime again. If the liberals had won, they would have been able to at least slow it down.
There was already until the last parliament elections, where the pro European candidate Donald Tusk won over the PiS, who destructed the state orban style for 8 years. However real reforms were not possible until now, because the PiS president was blocking any law the government was pushing. Now, with these elections everyone hoped the blocking will have an end, but we were proved wrong. This will likely lead to new parliament elections and PiS will continue to destroy the state.
I think PiS is not Russia-friendly, it's a bit more complicated in Poland. But idk for sure to be honest.
PiS isn't pro-Russia so much as it's anti-EU. They see Brussels the same way they see Moscow: as a sinister foreign power that wants to control Poland, and they see Poland as surrounded by the EU and Russia, with only the USA as a trustworthy ally keeping both in check.
He has badmouthed Putin before so theres that at least.
Polandβs always been pretty right-wing.
Because politicians and media keep them so. Often polls would show that public is more progressive than the lawmakers (e.g. about abortion laws), but the ruling politicians will still say how Polish people are not ready for such 'radical changes' or just how 'wrong' that is...
Eh, you win some, you lose some, just don't be much worse than Duda and everything'll be ok until the next election, no?
We have far right governments in Poland, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands and some more center right governments in other EU member states. This is very bad for human rights and we should be worried by this trend.
Yes, but this guy is not the head of government or and can't veto EU council decisions, like Orban can. He can block decisions of the new government to undo what PiS has done over the years. In fact, given Poland's history of right-wing presidents, it is the closest they've ever come to having a liberal president. :3 staying optimistic while we wait for the green left to get its act together in a pragmatic way (that has something to offer rural and working families over fascist vibes and neoliberal status-quo (looking at you, France))
I can't answer definitively for the other countries, but the Netherlands has a far-right party in government, but it's not the government - that's a coalition together with three right-wing parties. Certainly not what left-wing folks like to see, but the other three are keeping the far-right one in check somewhat compared to winner-takes-all systems like in the US.
Can also mention that the far-right party in Sweden is currently not in the government, they have an agreement with the government on what they should enact in order to receive their support but they hold no offices.
I can also now add that the Dutch far-right party just stepped out of the government, so now it's just the three other parties, and presumably new elections later this year π
Yeah... no. This guy will block what little good the government tries to do, blame it on immigrants, gays and the left and set the table for a rightwing victory come next election. This is bad.
It really, really is suspicious that those right-wing MAGA Trump Putin guys are always winning on really narrow margins. I can't recall any election where the "good guy" won like that.
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