Well, for Tor Browser even AUR isn't recommended. Just download it from official website and put it under somewhere like ~/.local/opt.
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This seems like something that Flatpak should be able to handle though. Afaik Mullvad Browser never had this issue. Flatpaks also have numerous advantages, like automatically handling desktop shortcuts.
I'd like to add that you can setup desktop shortcuts pretty easily for Mullvad and TOR browser manual installs. For TOR browser simply run this after opening a terminal in the folder it was extracted to:
./start-tor-browser.desktop --register-app
Same thing should work for mullvad.
Wow nice. Still not really friendly to beginners, since this is something they would have to dig into documentation to find, but it's good to know
Yeah. I just found out about it by accident when I ran it with the --help flag.
Normally there shouldn't be a problem with packaging but Tor documentation recommends it like that to ensure security and authenticity. Even though it's self-updating, they also recommend to delete and re-install it time to time, instead of just updating.
never knew that
There might not be problems with other packaging but the point here is to not trust anything other than the official sources for maximum privacy I believe.
Ohh okay I had to use a mirror to download it if that's fine.
Mirrors are fine since the official website is not accessible on every country. They just suggest verifying the file signature.
Ohhh okay should've done that but prob later
Why don't they bundle the browser itself in the Flatpak and update it via the default Flatpak update mechanism?
The only way of getting Tor browser is through Tor project website
Dont go download anything from anywhere else, dont matter if its flatpak snap, deb, whatever
The only thing they offer is bare source?
I like they've just given up on trying to understand things like filesystem layouts and fucking systemd - which is cool - but now they own dependency hell and inconsistent installs in trade.
Nah. I'll get a package where I can confirm the contents, check the sigs, reproduce the build and then deploy it with its dependencies in a reliable, verifiably-consistent process.
https://rhel.pkgs.org/9/epel-x86_64/tor-0.4.8.14-1.el9.x86_64.rpm.html
Sources, sigs, signed BoM. Wheeee!
I think it has some sort of binary already in the archive. There's a "start-tor-browser.desktop" you just double click to launch the browser.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time if every developer released software as pre-compiled binaries on their website, installing stuff on Linux would become such a PITA. (This is different from how Windows works because apps for Windows are distributed using installers like xxx.msi, and Linux does not have a unified installation system across distros)
Tor "installed" via non-flatpak updates via the same manual mechanism, so it's no worse than the non-flatpak. The flatpak is just the installer. Also, the point of tor is not to avoid fingerprinting, it's to blend in. You are no more tracked by Reddit than you would be with up to date tor. A publicly traded company is not going to actively try to exploit your browser with a hack to fingerprint you extra via an exploit. You should never use tor for 1-1 you things comingled with anything you don't want associated with you. That's why there's an easy to use new identity button. Tor is not magic, its on YOU to engage in best practices or not.
the point of tor is not to avoid fingerprinting, it’s to blend in
Fingerprinting and blending in are the same thing. You can't blend in if you have a unique fingerprint. The Tor Project goes to great lengths to mitigate fingerprinting using their custom browser, it's one of their main goals. It's pointless to use Tor with a regular browser that doesn't have those protections, because websites can just identify you by your fingerprint even when you are obfuscating your IP using Tor.
You are no more tracked by Reddit than you would be with up to date tor
Browser version is a major part of your fingerprint. It's in your user agent, but that can be faked so there are additional mechanisms that check what javascript features your browser supports to get a more reliable read of your browser version. Use https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/ to learn more.
And fingerprinting is not a hack or exploit. It's something that websites use for tracking, just like cookies. And I'm almost certain that Reddit fingerprints users to detect ban evasions.
@nikqwxq550 I was about to advocate for the flatpak packager-maintainer being a random guy volunteering for the job. But no, it's official flathub.org/apps/org.torprojec…
I would never install Tor via the flatpak or whatever. Just download from the website, run ./start-tor-whatever.sh and in the browser, check for updates. It's the official source.
It sounds like most other users install it that way too. Which surprises me, since I had thought the Linux community had started to move towards Flatpaks. But anybody who searched Flathub for Tor Browser, would have seen the flatpak with the Tor Project author listed as verified, and there would be no indication that this was in fact an unstable installation.
How do you even access Reddit from Tor? I always see the message saying that my attempt was blocked by "Network Security".
switch to the old.reddit.com site (onion version tends to work more often), and if that doesn't work, switch Tor circuits (the option is under Tor Browser menu bar, I have it pinned to the top-bar for convenience)
I tried old.reddit.com as well. I think it used to work but it no longer does.
Lately they've been rate-limiting more heavily but if I wait and refresh enough times, or change circuits enough times, it tends to work
So... How do we do we're running an outdated version, and what is the fix that requires manual intervention?
You can check the Tor Project blog to figure out the latest release, and go to your Tor Browser's menu > Help > About Tor Browser to see if it matches. It should be version 14.0.7. If it is not, the fix is detailed in the Github issue I linked in the post
It was collapsed for me at first, and buried under a lot of other comments, but a workaround is mentioned here. Unfortunately, that didn't seem to work for me, but deleting the Flatpak and deleting all associated data, and then reinstalling it, I think did the trick.
Although it does now show this warning, which doesn't sound great.
Edit: actually, I think that was the reason I concluded the first workaround didn't work, but looking at that URL, this might just have been introduced in Firefox 128, which is newer than the old version of Tor was based on. So it looks like both worked.
You are right I should have linked directly to the workaround, sorry. Glad you got it sorted out though.
No worries, thanks again!
So the notification that is in the browser that directs you to update it wasn't enough? Because that totally works with the flatpak version of tor, because all the flatpak version of tor does is download a copy of the browser to your home directory and run it. There's a little notification dot on the hamburger menu of tor that directs you to the about page where you can download and update.
Because that's what I've been doing.