I know there’s great love for Oblivion (I never played it when it was new), and of course Skyrim is the gold standard for new fans (I played the shit out of that and it was my first entry into the elder scrolls back when it came out 14 years ago…) but I really feel like this shadow drop of a half assed remake is just priming everyone to lower their expectations for the likely dumpster fire that is The Elder Scrolls VI.

I know its old hat nonsense of a complaint but whatever Bethesda used to be it stopped being that 20 years ago and we’re all just stuck thinking they’ll put out some new masterpiece when in reality all the talent they had back in the day has likely left for other jobs and they are now just a shitty company among countless other shitty companies putting profit over anything else and stifling anyone who might actually have good ideas on how to make good games (how unsurprising).

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Lower expectations...?

Bethesda Game Studios has been on the decades-long trend of watering down all their proper RPG elements. Morrowind is significantly more jank in combat and movement than Oblicion. Oblivion significantly more jank than Skyrim.

However, Skyrim is over simplified compared to Oblivion in all of its RPG mechanics, and has removed a number of gameplay features that were previously present (e.g. Spell crafting). In turn Oblivion is itself more mechanically shallow than Morrowind, significantly lacking in such things as speech options.

The Oblivion Remaster is so more a reminder of something we'll never get anymore; an open world RPG that isn't as weighed down as Morrowind and not as over-simplified as Skyrim (though honestly complex NPC interactions need to come back from Morrowind).

TES VI will likely have better combat than Skyrim, but still incredibly dated compared to other games, and mechanics that can barely be called "RPG" anymore.

[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a couple of modders who was making the older elder scrolls game into the Skyrim engine? Wouldn't it be easier on Bethesda to just hire them and other talented modders to do it?

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 hours ago

They sent the modders complimentary copies of the remaster

[–] Yokozuna@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

If anything this has raised my bar for TES 6. I didn't play 4 just as you did and sunk an ungodly amount of time into 5. I also played fallout 3 at the time of launch so I feel like I'm fairly versed in Bethesdas formula.

The progress from 4 to 5 is obvious. They put a lot of love into making Skyrim better than its predecessor in tons of ways. With the absolute flop of Starfield, they're putting all their chips into TES 6 and they know it. They're going to stick to the core gameplay that everyone expects, but how they expand and improve upon it is really what will make or break them. If they get the story telling down, it's all up to the mechanics of the game and design of the world.

My bar has absolutely raised by them putting this remaster out.

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

I don't think I agree on them going all in for TES6, I think oblivion and the upcoming fallout 3 remake (confirmed by court docs ages ago) are probably going to lean into monetized mods, just like skyrim has been for the last decade. Skyrim's creation club made it a pseudo live service game, where they can maintain bethesdas tiny team size (Relative to most AAA devs) and still get ongoing payout for a decade or more, letting players generate new content to buy into. Optimistically this means they'll have plenty of funding for TES6 to hire some decent writing staff and put together something great that's presumably been at least thought about the last 14 years since Skyrim, but it might just be going into Microsoft's coffers.

[–] clonedhuman@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

Maybe they're trying to get potential players of Elder Scrolls VI so hyped that they'll still play the new game even if it's sold 'games as a service' style

in which case, fuck that

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