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Students submitted code they didn't write themselves, contributing to widespread rule-breaking

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[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is actually sickening to me.

To anyone who thinks using AI in school is a good idea you are an absolute idiot and should drop out so someone with a brain can be educated. You are there to learn FFS.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

As someone in their 30s who went back to university, I am seeing a lot of students use AI to summarize papers they were supposed to read for class or to write papers they were supposed to write for class. This is in addition to using the AI summary feature of a popular search engine as their default, if not only, means of looking up something they're unsure about.

It's often talked about by those that do it with a coolness about successfully skirting dumb rules. For one reason or another, it seems very reasonable to them. Maybe they see it as helping them with the onerous parts of school/ academia. Maybe they see it as the future, and current protests against it as silly.

More specifically, I'm seeing people use AI for things that are an area of weakness for them. By doing that, I think they're missing opportunities to develop those skills, and they will continue to 'miss milestones' so to speak.

I think, in general, people's reading, writing, and critical thinking abilities will go down over decades due to this behaviour. And that scares me. I think those skills are key to a rational electorate. E.g., Lack of such skills = Trump

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago

Yeah being able to read an article and have it trigger a thought process where you grok the concepts an paraphrase, is such a huge skill. Reading a summary is not the same even if your words would be written out the same in the end.

Also as a deep dive user of technical program, when I chatgpt some questions about this aoftware the output is often totally wrong, and even if I feed it some correct info it says oh right and changes it into more garbage. At a surface level though it looks very correct to a person who's never used the software before.

[–] badwetter@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 1 day ago

Juan Marulanda De Los Rios didn’t need to take a three-hour exam—he just wanted to. In a system where language could trip him up, numbers felt like solid ground.

After returning to Canada after a few years in Colombia, Marulanda De Los Rios soon fell behind in ninth grade classes that required him to read and write in English. But math required no code-switching, and he excelled at it—so unlike his peers, he dove into the University of Waterloo’s Canadian Computing Competition (CCC) and other exams throughout high school just for the challenge.

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The university’s centre for computing and math decided not to release results from its annual Canadian Computing Competition, which many students rely on to bolster their university and job application chances Many students violated rules and submitted code not written by themselves for the competition Students around the world enroll in the gruelling CCC to better their chances of being accepted into Waterloo’s prestigious computing and engineering programs, or land a spot on teams to represent Canada in international competitions, he said. The university’s competitive STEM programs have produced a number of esteemed alumni, including RBC’s chief executive Dave McKay, BlackBerry founder Mike Lazaridis and Social Capital CEO Chamath Palihapitiya.

The CCC’s website says while the contest is not required for acceptances into Waterloo’s faculty of mathematics, “strong performance” can help students with admissions.

But this year, the competition didn’t release scores as they typically do. Instead, co-chairs J.P. Pretti and Troy Vasiga released a statement explaining that official results would not be published for the 2025 competition.

In it, they explained that a large number of students violated its rules. “It is clear that many students submitted code that they did not write themselves, relying instead on forbidden external help,” the co-chairs wrote. Students are usually publicly ranked in the results based on their score, and it would be unfair to do so this year, it said.

The competition prohibits the “use of AI and other external tools,” a policy that contest participants had to review, University of Waterloo spokesperson David George-Cosh said in a statement to The Logic. He declined to comment on the record about how many students violated the rules, or specify what tools students used to cheat.

But using AI to cheat has become increasingly prevalent. Academic integrity software TurnItIn found that 11 per cent of 200 million papers submitted between April 2023 and April 2024 had at least a fifth written by AI. Around three per cent were almost completely written by AI.

Jayden Shin, an eleventh grader at Oakridge Secondary School who took the test this year, said he wasn’t too surprised that the scores were cancelled. “There’s a lot of cheating around with the rise of AI,” he said. The test is usually taken in schools with teachers supervising screens as the primary way of preventing it, according to Marulanda De Los Rios and Shin.

Shin recalls one teacher had to keep an eye on eight students during his exam. There weren’t strict barriers to bringing code into the competition or a way of restricting access to websites and applications, he said.

When Marulanda De Los Rios took the exam in 2022 and 2023, it was more difficult to cheat, but now with Copilot—GitHub’s easily embeddable AI coding assistant—students don’t even need to leave their program to cheat with AI. “Teachers have to be more aware,” he said.

Other major global coding competitions are struggling to keep up with AI-savvy high schoolers cheating on tests. Shin said he also participated in portions of the USACO, a major U.S. computing competition, where he noted skirting the rules might have been even easier. He said the competition didn’t lock screens, allowed access to websites and could even be taken from home. The USACO’s website clarifies that the use of generative AI is prohibited in the test.

University of Waterloo’s Centre for Education in Mathematics and Computing, which hosts the CCC, plans to take “additional measures to safeguard future competitions.” This includes improved technology, supervision and “clearer communication” for students and teachers, George-Cosh said in a statement.

The decision to cancel the release of this year’s results will weigh most on Grade 12 students who won’t get a chance to do it again next year, Shin said. But he didn’t think the onus was on the university. “It’s obviously a cheater’s fault, right? They’re the ones who cheated. They’re the one to break the rules. It’s their fault morally and logically.”

The test is “very important” in Waterloo admissions, and can also boost chances at other universities, Shin said. The exam is often considered when applying to internships, jobs or work experience programs, he said.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Human beings are, for the most part, path-of-least-resistance creatures. This was inevitable. It's like building long straight stroads with few intersections and a school with a lonely crosswalk then wondering why speeders keep hitting children.

Bad design gets bad outcomes.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What is the "bad design" in this case?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Designing a contest where participants have access to AI, when they aren't supposed to use it and then looking shocked when the inevitable happens.

Either allow a commonly accepted industry tool, or restrict participants for the duration of the testing.

I remember my grade 6 teacher telling me I won't always have a calculator handy. **gestures broadly out the window.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

You never have a calculator inside your skull. The fewer times an idea has to leave and enter your skull, the further ahead to a solution you can intuitively see from the available data. Using a calculator is a great skill to have, except where it prevents the development of trivial skills the brain is capable of easily doing without a calculator.

But otherwise I take the point. AI isn't the only matter that they are left on their honour to conduct themselves. There's lots of ways they could cheat. The more trustworthy contestants are, the more everyone can benefit from available efficiencies. I guess that the advent of AI has changed the assumptions behind the tradeoffs that have been chosen.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How do you propose restricting participants?

This contest takes place simultaneously in high schools across multiple countries. The individual proctors should be responsible for monitoring, but clearly they failed.

When I did it (nearly 20 years ago) we couldn't use online resources at all. No Google, no Stack Overflow. Our proctor was there to ensure we didn't cheat.

This isn't about how good you'll perform at a job, it's about your knowledge, ability to design, and critical thinking skills.

Are spelling bees dumb because you can just look up the words in a dictionary?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Only if you fail to stop dictionairies from getting into the rooms.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Maybe the idea of a distributed international competition just doesn't work anymore. It's either too hard to proctor, or teachers are willing to help or let their students cheat in order to have an advantage.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 5 points 20 hours ago

the CCC and Euclid (math equivalent) were both hugely inspirational to me. They showed me what real math and real computer science was like instead of the arithmetic and programming classes I took during regular school. I didn't do particularly well, and I don't think it's really a good predictor of university performance but I would be really sad if they could no longer exist because of some script kiddies.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

I'm going to go against the anti-AI bandwagon here. Banning AI tools in a coding competition in 2025 is like banning calculators in an accounting competition.

It's a coding contest in a tech school. It's ultimately about education. Guess what: these students will be using copilot when they get a job. The school should be preparing them about how to responsibly and safely use every tool available to them to be productive and professional.

I would rather say that the organizers should have structured and scaffolded better the competition, so that tools like copilot could be part of the experience without compromising the overall learning objective.